How can I handle my daughters out of control behavior?

I have a lot of opinions and these are just my suggestions on the way I feel and what I think would help, from reading your post and my experience.

I would definitely try to make an appointment with her doctor or specialist for test that may help you to understand her behavior and help her to process her thoughts and feelings, I think it may be linked to other diagnosis by the behavior explained from my own personal experience, meanwhile, try to be patient and hang in there mama. It’s hard but it will begin to get better. But will take patience, time and work.

I would definitely stick with a consistent consequence with prior warning. But only after trying a positive approach or reward type of praise , imo that’s been most effective and builds their confidence while promoting good behavior. You can set up an age appropriate reward system for good positive behavior and often praise her for all the things she does great, instead of only negative consequences for bad behavior. Try to speak calmly often even if you are frustrated, bc she picks up these things, reword often, do not say “pick up your shoes! If you don’t put away your shoes you can’t play” instead - try smiling and saying in an exciting tone “let’s put away your shoes and find a fun toy!” Or make it fun, instead of pick up your toys make it a game with music on and off - see how much you can pick up with the music really fast like a red light green light or get baskets with pictures for pick up one for toys one for books one for clothes to sort. Praise for good jobs and help. Even at random, like I’m so proud of you for sitting quietly while I was on the phone! Or wow look at you, keeping your hand to yourself makes mommy happy, you’re a big girl! My son loves to be a helper and be praised. If she is yelling for example explain what’s not okay and why (sometimes kids comply better when they understand the why or reason) then ask her to not to do and she continues and you tell her it isn’t polite to yell, I like it when you talk to mommy nice. Can you lower your voice? And a consequence to negative behavior, warning, you will have 5 minutes timeout or I will have to take away your device (we did toy timeouts too, for devices or if my kids couldn’t share) whatever consequences works in your situation, so she knows what to expect. If she does lower her voice praise and thank her. Like wow that sounds better I can understand you, thank you! Not so much spanking. I grew up with spanking and that worked with my older children in their younger years and after about 7yr old we didn’t have to spank any more bc they had learned what was acceptable BUT with my youngest and his struggles and diagnosis that did not work! And like you described- it didn’t phase his behavior. He was constantly doing something! At a young age it began, and I waited through pre k and kindergarten and disregarded recommendations to get him tested thinking he would grow out of it bc of his age, ultimately we all suffered and his learning was delayed without the proper treatment and diagnosis.
Every parent and household has different beliefs and upbringings so never mind the negative comments about “whooping” so I do not knock you at all for trying this method as I did with my other children. I appreciate your honesty but this will not work and should not be a consequence if your child suffers from a disability, or developmental delay, even if she doesn’t I wouldn’t continue since she is struggling with hitting as well, and if it doesn’t break her will. I honestly believe with any/ every child all you have to do is break their will, ultimately that’s all you need to do is to get them to know right from wrong or to not do something to put them in danger but you can break their will by a stern firm voice of no no at a young age or later on taking away toys, or time outs, or no screen time, it will change with age. But at any age in your situation I would steer from spanking if it’s not necessary or affective and therefore could only make things worse in this situation.

Also, I believe it is very important that they know what to expect and when, being consistent. With any situation. Set up and stick to the same outcome, So they can know what to expect when they do good with reward and or if they are being disrespectful or unruly and have consequences. Maybe be even a sticker chart, many options. When she gets older she can earn tickets and cash them in for a treat (we did that and small sticker rewards like ice cream or park) Stick to keeping your word! Any unexpected change of plans or suddenly taking back your word, will not end well. If you promised ice cream after dinner then decide you can’t get it after it was earned do not take back what was worked for bc it will cause her to regress and meltdowns. But bc life happens it will be times that you have to deal with change of plans but you must prepare for the let down bc they have looked forward to that they can’t understand the why.
If you have company it sounds like she may have wanted attention, even negative attention. Maybe you could explain to her what to expect and having guests over or to include her just an idea like after we talk in 10 minutes we can show them your dance! Set a timer give her something to look forward to plus that all eyes on her. Also, with some diagnosis especially at a young age it’s hard to understand consequences or to think in advance such as running in the road or being around water. Especially if they are extra excited to run outside.
Also it’s important to validate her feelings, make sure she understands the why, that she understands it is okay and natural to have her feelings of being mad frustrated excited and sad, etc and that she is not punished for how she feels but instead you are just teaching her how to react and express those feelings in a manner that is not disrespectful or dangerous or disruptive to others. Allow her a “safe place” to go to be loud or angry or sad without any repercussion. For my kids it was their room, they could storm in there, shut the door, yell, throw fits or if they were upset or sad that was there place to go to be alone until they wanted to talk about it . And if they didn’t that was okay too.

I feel like I wrote a lot, that has helped me. I hope I explained in a way to help others if needed if you want to try those approaches. But again this is just my personal opinion and strategy I had to change up and use bc what worked for my oldest two didn’t and wasn’t working for my youngest.

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Well If you don’t want your kid to hit start with not hitting them first. :woman_shrugging:t3:

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As a mental health professional, I suggest strongly that you consult a new pediatrician about her behavior. And possibly a child psychologist. Please no “whomping”…never a good choice.

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Mumma your just doing what feels right to you , sorry for all Judgy replies you have received , breathe and try ignoring the bad behaviour for a couple weeks you should definitely see some changes xx good luck mumma you are not alone xx

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My daughters autistic and sounds the same. I’d get her looked at. It’s hard to diagnose girls cuz they show differently then boys do but we’ve been working on getting a diagnosis even though we all know she is.

Good luck with it all

Have a look at circle of security. Remember your daughters brain isn’t developed and needs a role model to co-regulate to help her learn how to develop and manage her emotions. Also look up Dan Siegel’s ‘hand model’ video and ‘flipping the lid’ it’s a good visual to understand a child’s brain.

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Sounds like ADHD or one of the other behavorial problems. Try finding a specialist in those behaviours. They are more common that you think. I know one family where all three kids, now in teens, have similar problems. Sometimes medications will solve the worst of them.

Get her medical help there’s definitely something wrong Autism is my first guess .ADHD. THERE IS MANY FORMS OF THESE.Please seek medical HELP and stop wopping her she doesnt comprehend things.just go to time outs GO TO YOUR pediatrician tell them .

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I would take her to a psychiatrist

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4 years old and she is running your household.

maybe she should see a specialest it may be preasure on the brain or maybe a fluid build up putting preasure on the brain

"She has never been exposed to hitting or violence " goes on to hit her :roll_eyes:

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Look, the phrasing of “whooped” is wrong, spanking your children is not a mfn crime so everyone needs to chill she isn’t smacking her kid in the face or punching, but yes that WORD whooping NEEDS TO NOT BE IN A POST ASKING FOR ADVICE. because that is all anyone will focus on. Just how compassionate people work, they instantly see a red flag with the misuse of aggressive words while trying to seem non aggressive.

Spanking itself does not make someone an aggressive parent.
Calling it “whooping” is the red flag. That’s a perspective you’re choosing.

As for advice, bring in a family therapist. Works for our big family. We are raising 5 girls in one home of all ages and they go nutty on each other as you can imagine. Children are BUILT to be immature. People expecting them to act like adults doesn’t work.
But good behavior has to be accessible in their minds.

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Take her to a psychiatrist this is mental and I’m not being rude I’m being real

Spanking is not going to work . U have to look at her and firmly tell her NO hitting. Then she does it again set her on a time out chair and say nothing. Third time just take her by the hand walk her over to time out pay her no attention.keep doing that last one sometimes it may take 20 times but u have to b consistent.she is probably just wanting attention. Most kids that age do. Also never use the word punishment. It’s positive discipline.

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Could be attention seeking behavior. Not to say she doesn’t get attention, some people just seem to require more than others. Do not let the world revolve around her, but give her lots of positive attention. Children who demand attention even seek negative attention if they are not getting positive.

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She may have ADD, like my daughter, she’s had issues like these and has been diagnosed. it was the only explanation. We don’t do the medication because we don’t like the side effects but now we know what the problem is and can have done tons of research and have found ways to help our baby girl deal with her feelings. spankings DO NOT work.

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Get professional help. A therapist and possibly a behavioral support specialist

never been exposed to hitting or violence but you… hit her?

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Sounds like a behavioral issue, like the other suggestions I would look for a specialist. As for the “not being exposed to hitting” and hitting her makes no sense at all. Good luck.

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For the running off id say to get a backpack leash for her. If that’s what it takes to keep her from getting run over then do it. I don’t care how awful people call that. Keeping her safe comes first.
And also, get that child psychiatric help. And stop hitting her.
Whopping is hitting.
That’s violence.
Studies have been proven to show that the stress a child gets from being spanked is the same amount of stress a child that was severely abused gets.
Harvard study. Google it. And stop spanking your kids. You’re making it worse.

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Yeah need to make sure she does have ADHD or autism or behaviour problem take her to gp might need to be diagnosed. Snd I don’t think you should be wooping her cos she might not be able to control herself. Especially if she is diagnosed there’s a special way of punishment than wooping her it could be distressing for her.

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I am with you on the leash part JP

I’m know doctor or expert. However I have twins and both are autistic. From what I read sounds like she has ADHD, Autism, or some form of behavioral problems. I honestly don’t believe she’s purposely putting her self in harms way if she knew and understood the danger, and the aftermath. I will say, banging her head, hitting and running toward the roads know matter how many times you say don’t. Is definitely signs of those that I mentioned. Prayers to you, and your princess. Because I know it can be challenging.

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Whooping her is exposing her to violence. :flushed: You didn’t KNOW this?

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  1. Whooping is violence.
  2. Logic doesn’t seem to be working.
  3. A child of this age needs a great deal of structure.
  4. A reward system needs to be put in place.
  5. Consult with a psychiatrist not a pediatrician.
    This behavior is not in the realm of how a child would normally express frustration.
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All the best I hope and :pray: the problem get sorted soon …

I would have her seen by a specialist. sounds like she could have autism or something similar.

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What started working with me is longer eye contact with telling them “no”, or whatever they are doing to stop with a Stern face. Even when I’d know they got the point I’d still hold the eye contact if that makes sense to mean mommy means business. And Id tell their father what they did wrong too throughout the day, so he can correct them too when he gets home or what not. Not for a second punishment but more for being reminded and told we can’t do those things or too listen to mommy. I noticed my girls started listening to me better when we’d both tell them not to do something. It’s them testing you and limits.
I wouldn’t rule this as being autistic. There’s so much more needed that’s missing to be diagnosed with autism.

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She has been exposed to “whooping”… maybe just let her be? Children get frustrated and angry too they can’t control their emotions or understand them as well as an adult
Be patient your reaction is everything…don’t let it faze u react in a calm loving manner… and when she hits just hold her little wrists and say…no hitting.
Imagine if you were frustrated as a adult and everytime you were somebody came along and beat u up screamed at u…
You don’t need to control her you are here to help guide her protect her and love her.
Children watch what u do.
She could also have a behavioral disorder?

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Sounds autistic. My son banged his head as young as 8 months and on. He is 12 now and autistic and adhd

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If you are ‘whooping’ her, you are actually the one teaching her that hitting will get her her way, get her point across, that violence is how things are handled. Consistency will be your key. Have you tried completely ignoring her? We had a particularly tough foster kiddo and designated a ‘time out’ pillow at the end of the hallway where he could still see the family engaging. When needed, we told him why the behavior he was participating in was not ok (even if he was screaming in our faces) then removed him from the situation. If he screamed, moved around, whatever…fine…we just went on like it wasn’t happening. At first it was challenging to keep him there but eventually he got bored of having to go back to the pillow and sit and know we were having fun. We also made a very big deal about how fun it was when we could all be together and enjoying our time with him. Lots of positive reinforcement so that they learn that positive attention is much better than negative and stop doing things to receive negative attention. Good luck, hon. It’s a battle!

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No she clearly has some
Other behavior condition. Sounds like autism

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So she hit someone, then you took her away and hit her and told her not to hit. SOUNDS GOOD :ok_hand:t2:

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Look for a specialist she definitely needs help

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Time to get her checked for autism

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Honestly go do some parenting classes so you can get an understanding of your child because at this point it’s seeming you have no idea. If you’re frustrated imagine how a fricken 4year old feels when she gets physically hurt by someone she’s supposed to trust, all for doing something that didn’t align with your idea of “good behaviour” . Your being aggressive and violent but saying that the child isn’t exposed to violence so thats your first issue. You’re not understanding that your child has no idea how to emotionally regulate or how to communicate. Sounds like you and your partner don’t know how to regulate yourselves let alone teach a small child how to do so. Like I said go do some parenting classes will do a world of good

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Could be Autism …should get her checked out .

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Try a neurologist. Something is wrong.

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Sounds like autism! My sons autistic … he doesn’t hit but I know those are some signs of it. Please go get her diagnosed.

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Talk to Dr Phil!! He may have some answers!

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Maybe She is trying to get your attention?

she needs evaluation… autism is possible… I had an attitude as a child . ( MOMN CALLED ME A BRAT). I lived in timeout but I learned. I also was spanked. just saying.

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She needs medical attention and professional therapy

Give her an outlet, if you are not already doing. I used to have my kids on top of a small hill scream and state there independence. They would yell different things but it was fun and cute.

Maybe check out “Oppositional Defiance Disorder”

Needs to see Dr and psychologist and maybe psychiatrist!!

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Guys try not to mom shame. It’s hard with a tough kid.

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let her get hit w a car. no don’t but feel like it

Have you ever thought that this behaviour could be stemmed by Autism? It could very well be possible. My eldest daughter is autistic and although she doesn’t hit out in frustration, she demonstrates most of the other things you’ve mentioned and she also has no sense of any dangers ie running in to potentially busy roads and doesn’t see that it’s the wrong thing to do. She’s just very impulsive a lot of the time. Maybe a worth while talk to her dr and push to get her on a pathway to be assessed for autism.

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Put her in a room and tell her if she wants to be a bad girl that’s the only place she can, give her a pillow to scream into, close the door and let her go at it.

This sounds like autism, and she’s had it for a while… the head banging is a dead giveaway. I would try a diet change for her. You can research autism detoxification diets as a place to start. You can take her to doctor for diagnosis but they’ll just put her on meds to dull the symptoms. Just curious if she recently received a round of vaccinations that might correlate with her behavior getting worse?

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If you zre " whoopibg her

Try againif you are whooping her she knows about hitting

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I would definitely check her diet. Start with taking away sugar, wheat, dairy -not all at once. Gradually.

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She has never been exposed to violence or hitting…what then do you mean by, “took her from the room and whooped her”?

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Get her accessed for autism and adhd

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Take parenting courses? Listen so they will talk, talk so they will listen.
When you say whooping her? That raises red flags! and def sounds like autism or severe ADHD with behaviours. Take the child to a pediatrician and go from there!

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4 yr. olds can be very challenging. Whooping her is not the answer. That’s just more violence. I would try very calmly putting her in a safe room alone for a few minutes and see how that works. I would also have her checked out medically to make sure nothing is wrong. Ask her why? I’m sorry you’re going through this.

Hopefully, you have a pediatrician that you can take her and talk this out. Seeking and asking for help shows no weakness…it is a parenting strength!!!

Violence is never the answer with children.

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You are punishing her with violence when she displays violence.

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Definitely get a second opinion. May sound like she could be slightly austic with ADHD. For any drinks if they have red dye in them could set her off.

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You said you hit her and then said she’s never been exposed to hitting :thinking:

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My son did all this he was diagnosed with adhd at 5 years old he doesn’t have hair from where he would bang his head on his crib all the time he would basicly rock himself to sleep and hum while thumping his head he ended up getting a knot that did do away but he now has a cow lick in the area he’s 10 now and on medicine for adhd I held off for about 2 years until the behavior issues started to happen in school after we introduced a few diffrent meds and found the one that worked he doesn’t act out anymore or hit and he’s very well behaved

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Follow the nanny and watch how she does the naughty chair. 4 mins for the 4 yo. The min she starts acting up give a warning, "this is your warning if you do that again you will sit on the naughty chair. If she gets up put her back. May take an HR of just putting her right back (assuming she will argue and get up) so don’t say A WORD as you put her back on the naughty chair. Over and over sometimes but eventually they stay! 4 mins goes by. You get down in eye level and ask if they know why they are on the chair. U explain calmly and then ask them to apologize. Then you tell her you love her and she says she loves you too and you hug and she has regulated and been disciplined without violence.

I’ve been doing this since my kids were 3. They know what a warning is now. And everytime they get up I don’t say a word I just put em right back in there until they stay for their whole time.

It’s hard to get dad on same page. Make sure you both watch how this is done. And make sure none is saying " get back on there or you better not get back off" don’t say a word. Just calmy walk to her and put her back. She will kick and scream. Hold it together. It works.

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You can start taking out juices and red dyes and sweets sugars it really helps from what if found out I know every kid is diffrent I’d definitely start with sugar and red dye tho I noticed a huge difference by just cutting those out meditation and breathing exercises helped me with my son aswell

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You’re hitting her and then wondering why she’s choosing violence? Look to the example you’re setting for her.

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You said she has never been exposed to hitting or violence, yet you state that you spank her🤔. Take a step back and look at her environment, what is she exposed to daily? Be honest with yourself. You already said you spank her but she’s not exposed to hitting, so you are already lying to yourself. Pay attention to the way you speak to her, about her, and to and about other people. Children are sponges, they observe and absorb everything. You or someone else that plays a large role in her life is exposing her to this type of behavior and teaching her that it’s appropriate, whether it be from being inconsistent with discipline or ignoring it or letting someone else do those same behaviors you are telling her not to do. Consistency is key, as well as saying what you mean and meaning what you say. 

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You say we don’t expose her to violence yet you took her out the room & ‘whooped her’ that’s violence, my child’s interrupting our daily lives grow up your children are your life sounds like you don’t pay attention to your child, talk to her Pay attention to it when she starts doing things go up and stop it it’s not that hard.

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Send her to me for one week. She will return a changed little girl.

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Maybe she thinks hitting is a way to get what she wants, or to express her emotions. Maybe take a look at where she got that idea from… lol :joy::joy:
All jokes aside maybe seek some parenting classes or child’s psychology classes, plus having a conversation with her pediatrician. I’m not saying you’re a bad parent, we often have to learn how to alter our own actions in order to learn how to best deal with the actions of our children. Learn to act, instead of react. Time outs only work when there is “time in,” like engagement, teaching, listening, and learning on BOTH ends.

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I couldn’t finish reading your post, I’m sorry. How on earth do you think she is going to learn hitting is wrong, when you as her parent are showing her it’s okay by doing exactly that? I think you need to go to therapy so she doesn’t have to.

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Spanking is hitting and violence. If you spank her then that’s how she learns to react to things she doesn’t like.

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Get her some therapy

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I had this problem with my younger ones. Spanking them never works cause they connect bad behavior with hitting and can lash out on other children. I would try therapy and behavioral therapy it helped with my Littles some days ar struggles some days aren’t. Have you tried a “safe space” for her when she’s out of control. My 5 year old has been like this since she was 2 I got her into therapy and behavioral therapy by the time she was 3 and I’ve learned alot and different ways to cope with her when she’s acting out. Trust me when I say her fits would last for anywhere from 4 to 7 hours at a time to the point my nieghbors nicknamed her screamer and no she’s not austic and isn’t ADHD. She has a nonspecified senory disorder. Anyways a “safe space” is something you construct to help her cope with her anger for my daughter it started with her princess tent had a door and windows in it and moved to her bunk bed where we could put up blankets and she could sit. We put things of comfort in the tent no matter what was going on if the fit started we would place her in the tent with her comfort items (her blanky, toys that she slept with, etc) and explain this is your safe space no one could hear her or see her when she was in there, whatever she did in the tent was fine as long as she wasn’t harming herself. She would go into the tent and scream for hours and we would leave her alone and ignore the screams and fit throwing when the fit was over she would come out I would get down to her level and ask her if she was ok give her a big hug and kiss and ask her why she was upset. By doing this you get the full picture of whats causing the outburst and you basically just shape your life around avoiding those triggers for them. It took us 2 years and the outburst aren’t as bad but it’s changing into being obsessed with repeatedly asking the same question over and over. I hope this helps you and if you ever need some more advice on what I’ve done that’s helped feel free to message me. I got 3 of my Littles in therapy and behavioral therapy for different things. But I would try therapy and behavioral therapy and maybe the safe space b4 anything. My kid is 100 percent not on any medications though sometimes it’s needed I would try the talk therapy first.

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We is copying u … look at the parent … u hit she will hit …

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Sounds like my son and he is adhd and on the spectrum

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Daughter did it. Bipolar and adhd

Wup her butt she will straighten up

Therapy.
It’s like y’all don’t know to make the appt. :woman_facepalming:

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Every body makes excuses for there kids now days it’s what’s wrong with them

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AND HERE COME THE SPANKING NAZIS :rofl::rofl::rofl: lord help us. Good luck to u momma, I see the majority here judging not helping. Smdh

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Seriously guys don’t mom shame…
Get a therapist and find out the underlining issue…
Spanking kids doesn’t make them violent!
I had my ass beat a few times as a kid and I learned to listen and behave…
I’m not a mean or violent person

I went through this for over a year and did everything mentioned by all on here and with through pre-k and worked with the teachers until we went through every possible thing…then he was tested and has adhd/OCD and unfortunately he has to take a low dose medication to help him control his symptoms and there is nothing wrong with it…some children are just wired differently so you may want to have your child thoroughly examined from hearing on. Good luck sweetie pray it gets better…as some might say it could just be a stage.

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I debated about commenting this but here we go. This is going to sound ridiculous to probably everyone. But Get her ears checked. My son did the same thing and got told he had adhd to finding out he has fuild behind his ears but his ears looked perfect from the look of things. If a child can’t hear they have the same signs of adhd. And since we have found out and go to mupital drs they all don’t think he has adhd and to prove he don’t we are going to a specialist after his surgery to get the tubes put in. So please just don’t jump straight to adhd cause your child could suffer longer like my child did. And what happen to my son actually happens alot.

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So instead of seeing a doctor you are hitting her? And you joke about it by calling it whooping?

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Take her to the doctor and have her tested for all forms of Autism.

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I reared a child just like this and he was definitely the equivalent of having triplets ! He’s not my oldest child nor my younger child who are all grown adults now but my advice be careful Of medicating her and I’m not assuming you do . I tried that and it made him worse . He didn’t hit anyone though but boy was he hard work so the very best of luck :blush:

Young one, get her medically and psychological evaluated - this is not a “normal “ behavior- anytime a child purposely hurts themselves- “banging head” is a major Red flag - get her checked asap - stop whopping her - this is teaching her - when frustrated at something/someone - response is whoop them - patience- I understand discipline is different abuse -( I was raised and raised kids with heavy hand - big heart)but not until you find out why she is demonstrating this behavior - :v:t4::sunflower:

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Yall are so off base it’s pathetic. I was spanked as a child. I learned not to do that again. There is something wrong with this child and she needs to be evaluated.

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Goodness. Please read the whole brained child and stop using physical punishments. Every behavior has an underlying need that isn’t being met. You as the parent need to expand your toolbox and educate yourself in the way children think and behave. CONNECTION. Your child is crying out for connection from you.

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Maybe whooping her has taught her to hit people when she’s frustrated :face_with_peeking_eye:

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You definitely need to schedule with a psychiatrist/psychologist asap.

Some other things to check: ears and any food allergies. It sounds weird, but a couple my cousin’s kids had behavioral issues as an allergic symptom instead of hives, etc. I think it was dairy, red dye 5, papaya, mango and nuts. But it can be anything.

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Think you need to find a new doctor have her tested for all forms of Autism and ADD, Adhd etc something isn’t right needs addressing asap.try also soothing music being played some children respond to being in a calm situation as well… Or yes have her hearing tested as well may need a specialist to do it properly …

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“Took her in her room and whooped her”
She’s never been exposed to violence :roll_eyes:
Do you realise how stupid that sounds.
I feel like you should take some parenting classes and maybe take her to the doctor if your so concerned about her behaviour as their could be something underlying. You “whooping” her is just you taking your frustration out on her. She’s learning that hitting is the way to take her frustration out and when she doesn’t get what she wants to hit because that’s what your doing. Imagine how she is feeling when the person who is meant to be looking after her and protecting her, is the one hurting her?
Definitely do some re-evaluation.

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U ‘whooped’ her but shes never been exposed to violence, what a fucking joke!! And then everyone claiming she has ADHD or autism…no simply no…look at the way u parent her!! Ur expectations and her development are at two completely different levels…I hope this helps,it all begins with US as parents
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Chelsea Edge all u are like,talk it out,oh it doesnt work :sob:
ITS BECAUSE SHES A 4 YR OLD!! She cant understand this whole talk it out, let alone her own actions let alone the punishment!!..research children’s developmental behaviour…educate yourselves man :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:
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