I have 11&10 year old daughters that don’t like to sleep…My daughters get sent to bed at 9:30 for bed for school. But they don’t go to bed, they will stay in their room in the dark and just jump around and talk and laugh until wee hours of the morning and then have to be up for school. I understand they are having fun but they are tired for school. What can I do to make them sleep at night. They don’t drink soda or have any sugar of any sort. Mamas please help.
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They may be overtired and in a second wind. Try an earlier bedtime with downtime prior.
I would tell them that they’ll go to bed earlier if they don’t go to sleep. They’re definitely old enough to follow rules and know what bedtime is.
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Why are you allowing them to stay up. Gotta set ground rules . Once lights out silence.
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Are they saying they are tired? Are their grades dropping? If they are still getting up and doing good in school, let them be. If not, they need to be more active to tire themselves out
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Who are the parent ? Why you allow them to be laughing and jumping until morning time ?
They are old enough to understand rules and to follow them.
9:30 bed time in week days is already late though
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My son is 5 years old and very hyper. We start bed time routine on weekends around 7:30-8:00. Bath and after bath he’s to sit on the couch quiet time and watches one of his show (he watches short clips of paw patrol) then we read a book and off to bed. He does read a book in bed but normally asleep by 8:45ish. During the week he’s in bed by 9pm. It used to be 8:30 but he gets up around 5:45-6:30 am and then he goes back to sleep and tired when it’s supposed to be time to get up for school so we been trying a later bed time.
Earlier bed time. 930 seems late for that age anyways. They’re growing and need their sleep!
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Cut out screen time at least an hour before bedtime. Set new rules. Sounds like they are the boss of you. Earlier bedtime.
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If they’re in the same room maybe it’s time to separate them since they’re both enabling eachother at this point. Also you’re the parent and you need to give consequences to them if they don’t listen to you. Tire them out before bedtime also. They probably got a lot of energy since 11/10 years old only get one recess a day usually and then sitting most of the day during the school day so all that energy comes out at nighttime
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Send them to there room anout 8:30 that might help. Take shower or bath with some sleepy time bath products.
If u can give them their own room see if that works. Or give them gummy melatonin might have to put bedtime earlier like send them to their room at 8pm….
My son is 8 and he knows bathroom and brush teeth at 8pm bed at 830pm… have to set rules take things away if they don’t listen.
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We started using melatonin because my girls did the exact same things once we got settled on a schedule using the melatonin we went every other night with out it. Then after that every two or three nights with out and then cut it out completely. Their bodies got used to the new schedule and now they’re asleep by 930 every night. I do however make a slight agreement on a Friday and Saturday once in a while
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Sometimes they are on their phone at night if they have one
Melatonin. And send one to bed 30 minutes before the other. You are the parent and need to be firm with them about going to sleep.
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I’d try separating their bedtimes if they share a room. The youngest goes to bed first and gives everyone time away from each other for at least a half an hour before.
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Make a new rule that they go to bed at 7:30 pm now so they can tire themselves out 2 hours before their old bedtime. If they still refuse to sleep change the time to 7pm and tell them you will keep making them go to bed earlier and earlier until they can learn new sleep patterns.
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Keep them awake on a saterday night all day Sunday . They’ll get in the habit
Turn on sleep music on YouTube, calming lights, no phones and melatonin…if not separate them but you also need to step up and start getting onto them your the parent
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Tell them bed before if up later messing about
Atleast then bed reasonable hr. My kids on school night is bed 7.30 8.maybe stagger bed aswel by 30. Sit them down and talk to them they’re old enough
Melatonin, don’t even tell them it’s for sleeping just tell them jt is a new vitamin, give it them 45 minutes before bed time and you’ll see they will fall asleep sooner, slowly start to weed it out or just don’t give on the weekends then start to weed ir our, they will get on a regular schedule trust me, works like a charm!
At that age my kids where in there room at 9 for a half hour of reading/quite time light out by 9:30 a lot of time they shut off there light earlier
My 11yr old has trouble sleeping so she listens to stories & they help her…
My 14yr old has always had trouble sleeping so the doctor put him on meds.
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if it continues, send them to bed an hour early but 30 minutes apart so they have time to wind down. No screen time (other than maybe what you’re watching on TV) after 6 pm. We take away phones and computers by 6. My oldest can text her friends at 6 and say “phone is DND until 7am tomorrow” and be good to go. I control their times on their devices.
Good bed routine. Shower/bath. Get clothes ready for next day. Melatonin. Brush teeth, drink and go potty. Lay down and read for 15 minutes.
Send them earlier. Take away electronics at 5:30. Bath, book, bed. The more they resist, thats another hour off electronics…
Tell them off. Take something away from them that matters and they can have it back when they pull their heads in.
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I have a 7 and 8 year old girl who share, they have separate bedtimes for this reason. Miss 7 goes at 7 and then miss 8 who is the worst night owl goes at 8 but isn’t usually asleep until 9
Leave their door open and check on them.
Grab a chair and sit there if you have to. If you can’t seperate them, start giving out punishments.
Also, before bed, they need to get energy out. They need to go outside or so some light exercise for 15-20 mins.
Their hormones are coming in and that may be some of it. Working on a new routine that involves making them more tired will help them sleep better.
Separate room and make bedtime earlier. As somebody said mayne they will tire themselves out.
Seperate bed times youngest first
Homeschool if you can.
Please don’t drug them. Melatonin = bad
More activities after dinner. Walks, bike rides, park… get their energy out. Less screen time 
Magnesium spray on their footsies and Epson salt baths 
They’re fine. They don’t have to go to bed when you want them to. They aren’t tired if they’re staying up.
I’d send them to bed at 7 and tell them silence at 8:30 or they’ll lose tv and device privileges.
That failing just get some chloroform.
I have a 7 yr old step daughter and a 10yr step daughter we had alot of these sleep issues until we had our 10yr diagnosed with adhd now she’s on melatonin to help sleep there is a site called Iherb you can get melatonin gummy aswell as the tablets and for our 7yr old we get a roll on from woolies and Coles to help sleep they also have a spray you can spray there beds with to help relax and calm them as we don’t want to give her melatonin as its unnecessary as she hasn’t been diagnosed with anything to be prescribed anything with her being younger alot of mind over matter tell her it will help her sleep and she will believe it I rember as a child my mother use to tell me reading will help you fall asleep and gave us a mint and told us it was a sleeping tablet when travelling it always worked
You can’t force someone to fall asleep. It’s actually quite nasty for teens and preteens to be night owls and want to sleep in the mornings. Set a time that they need to be ready for bed and in their rooms for quiet time. Also give a time that electronics are no longer allowed and take them away at that time. Allow them to read, draw, whatever until they are sleepy.
I once read an article that said if you try to go to bed too early it makes you stay up longer. You should only go to bed when tired.
My 4 yr olds bed time was at 8, for a whole week he stayed up til 10 in his room. It was a nightmare. I raised his bed time to 830-845 and boom he was out. Maybe push your routine out a little?
Separate rooms if possible!
earlier bedtime to get them down and settled for the night.
get them into a sport or a type of outing where they’re doing anything with extra physical movements earlier in the day to exert energy. being 10 and 11 is pretty close in age, the same time for bed is fare, start your night routine at 645; wash up, brush teeth, sit and relax with a book or a device 30mins, then bedtime 715. expect them to play a little, but be on top of correction at that time- take things away- ie privileges devices etc- and stay consistent with new schedule
You need to separate them unfortunately. I know space may be limited, but at the very least they need to be separated until they’re asleep.
Keep inching that bedtime earlier lol
a routine they go to the rooms 8 PM and 10 PM I don’t care what you do in your room but if I get up and have to drag you out of bed, you’re gonna go to bed early
Separate them, maybe discipline them
Noise machine. Cameras in room. Time puts or butt smack or grounded from electronics. I find that the counting method works. Count to 5. That’s their warning. If they don’t stop or it happens again count to 5 again and if it continues after that second 5 that’s it. Separate room lights out and grounded next day. You’ll do it one or two nights and then they’ll know. Your letting them have the power mama and it’s time to take it back.
Melatonin is one of the best solutions especially for school aged kids because if the give u a hard time to get up on the morning it’s because they been up all night
My daughter’s share a room, and separating them just isn’t possible as we don’t have an extra bedroom. 10yrs and almost 6yrs. I moved bed time from 9:00 to 7:30. They have to be in their rooms, doing something to wind down (they can read, watch an episode of their favorite t.v. show, colour, laugh, talk, even dance around if they want. But 9pm all lights r turned off, t.v. is turned off, and they have to physically be in their beds. If they don’t listen then they r given consequences (might lose access to something for a day or 2…or a week depending on what it is. Maybe they don’t get dessert the following night…whatever works for you and your family) but be consistent, that’s the most important thing. It will become routine. When hubby and I first started this with ours, it was a challenge. They challenged us for sure. But stay consistent. After a short while once it’s become part of your routine, they will start to fall asleep at “lights out.” Been doing this a year and within 5 mins of turning out the lights they r both completely asleep, and it only took a couple of months of consistency and their brains rewired to fall asleep at the lights out stage.
I wish I could help !!! Maybe a curtain down the middle of the room ?? Lavender scent ? Definitely a bed time story. Soft classical music…