Mental abuse is just as bad as physical abuse just saying and you are just as responsible for being a bystander
Wow… that’s a bit dramatic.
Nothing wrong with discipline, but I know from growing up with a mommy dearest, that if we did something wrong, such as not making our bed, she would strip the whole thing and we had to do it from scratch. If we didn’t put our clothes away right, she would empty all the drawers. Being told your not wanted, shouldn’t have been born and not loved, that is abuse! Even as a 60 year old today, the memories are still there. Maybe show them how you would like it done or do it yourself. Stop belittling them for everything!
Yeah I’d be unhappy to being run down like that as a teenager, do your own house work
So your 15 goes to school. Goes to work. And does chores? You have four kids doing your house work for you. She’s a kid when does she have time to be a kid?
I grew up in with 2 older sisters, with me being the youngest. Chores where mandatory. Then, when the oldest moved out, more chores fell on my sister and me. My sister even had a job. Then, she moved out. Guess what? All chores fell on me. I had a problem with that. I had it out with my parents. I’m one person, not 3. I also had a job. I believe in training and disciplining a person to get them ready to experience the real world, but I also believe they need the love and nurture of their family and let them continue being teens too.
So, you have your kids do your whole house upkeep because you have a full time job. The 15yo goes to school full time, plus homework, also has a job AND her daily chores (done military style, it sounds). But you two have full time jobs, don’t do upkeep of YOUR home and you cook occasional meals. I can be understanding and know that there is summer break and that kids need responsibility and routines and schedules, but this is by far extreme and this SCREAMS childhood trauma to me.
You realise your slaves, sorry kids, will move out at 18 and you will have to do it all?
Then you’ll wonder why they don’t want anything to do with you as an adult.
You chose to bring them into the world, love and nurture them, they aren’t your workers.
Do better!
No wonder this person didn’t want to put their name to the post… They know how fucked up this is
If it’s not done to yours or hubby’s standards, how about you get off your ass and do it yourself!!! What are they slaves? And copping abuse by their father for it, you say “nothing extreme” but id like to know your meaning of nothing extreme, mental abuse is just as bad as physical abuse and you’re sitting there letting it happen! Disgusting!!! Have chores set , but for the kids to be your little slaves is wrong!!! Your daughter is right he is abusing her, I wouldn’t do anything at all for someone like that. He sounds like a wanker! And the little family trips? No one cares about material shit they want love and support, which doesn’t sound like the 15 year old is getting
Just like you work full time , your kids also have full time school homework extra activities I’m sure etc . If they can’t have some time off school and some time for them to keep their sanity and have to clean everyday it’s a bit extreme. I also have my kid cleaning her room and teach her how to fold clothes clean her room etc . I don’t pay because it’s OUR house all of us need to maintain the house clean .
Just like I cook and clean their responsibility it’s their room . Yes I would encourage responsibilities chores etc but to the point you and husband want it spotless to the point it’s all on the kids it’s just better to get a maid !
I would be taking her privileges and rights away too if she isn’t doing what needs to be done. She doesn’t get to run the house you do
So verbal and mental abuse is seen as discipline these days. No wonder so many kids need to see shrinks these days
He sounds extreme to me, but they’re your kids raise em how you want. Imo kids need time to be kids too. Mine have chores and responsibilities but mainly in the summer. School is their job. So I only get them to clean up after themselves as do we clean up after ourselves and there’s really not much left after that. Since you posted this and several times point out dads “strictness” it seems you know deep down its a bit much. If you’re not comfortable talking to him about it then that’s a whole other problem. Every parent is different so I’m not judging, but I’d definitely sit down with your partner and try another strategy. Every kid is different and what’s fine for one isn’t for another. If she’s acting out, old enough to work and take care of house she’s probably old enough to have her opinion listened to. Imo
You allow your POS husband to call you children names? Your both bad parents… I get having chores but I don’t give a shit if you work full time your kids are not your slaves… and you cook some meals? I hope your not also making them cook… these kids also have school as their full time jobs… I’m ALL for chores of course but this is borderline abuse… please don’t allow your husband to be an ahole anymore
I’ll just say that I grew up like this and even worse on the discipline and how strict my dad was bit. I resented him for it for SO long. I am 30 years old with kids of my own. Your children will remember the name calling, they will remember how bad it gets. When I graduated highschool at 17, I moved out two weeks later. Anything was better than living that way. I did feel like my father’s slave. My dad and I have a good relationship but it did take a few years to mend us. There is a difference between having chores and responsibilities to forcing these children to do chores YOU are more responsible for than they are. I am all about cleaning up after yourself, sweep the floor, take the trash out kinda thing. Your husband to needs remember they are kids first and for most. They will ALWAYS fall short in the eyes of a dad like that. Damned if they do or don’t. I know…I was raised by one.
They are your children! Not your slaves. They have gotten good enough at chores so you guys don’t have to adult?? My advice is you and your husband stop being lazy and pick up some slack. It is not your kids job to keep a whole house together. They will run as fast as they can when they turn 18 & I couldn’t blame them. It sounds like a prison.
So yall dont clean at all? It sounds like yall are the lazy ones. Poor kids.
No child should have to endure that mental and emotional abuse.
That’s a troll no way somebody puts this online like wow
My husband went through this growing up with his stepdad. Now as an adult he feels as if he isn’t doing something all the time that he is lazy. He doesn’t like to sit and relax, he comes home from work and automatically starts working on something. I have to force him to sit down and relax. He is now a People pleaser instead of saying “no not today” or “im to tired I am going home to relax” he spreads himself thin. Do not create an adult who won’t tell people no when they don’t want to do something for them.
I lived in a home like this for a awhile and I eventually tried to run away. Being too strict on your children might push them away. I see you are trying to make them into great adults and I assure you they will be but I think they might act out when they see no help.
How would you feel if someone was yelling at you and calling you names ?!?
This is wrong and abuseisve!
Your daughter is right and good for her for standing up for herself! She’s gonna continue to rebel if she feels her needs aren’t being met .
Your shitty parents. It’s your job to look after your house. Chores yep am all for that and they can earn as much as they want that way but it isn’t your children’s job to clean your house too to bottom, Put up a chart with things they need to do like keep there own rooms tidy, bring washing down, hoover own rooms ect then add a chore list with a value they can earn daily too like load dishwasher/wash dishes £1, hoover lounge £1, wipe down bathroom £2 ect that way they choose if they want to help you out. If they don’t they have no extra pocket money but you can’t force them and you do whatever left. If your husband is such an ass about it make him hire a cleaner! FYI verbally assaulting your children is abusive don’t dismiss your daughters feelings it won’t end well you need to fix this.
Wrong wrong wrong.
Treat people aka (your kids) how you would want to be treated!!
Sounds like you two are missing the point of have children. Mix in a a little love and laughter, it don’t hurt a bit
You said you and the father don’t do any house work and you work all day. They are your children first of all and calling them names is abuse and you let it happen. Why if your 15 year old goes to school and works now shouldn’t she be expected to be off the chore list? After all Thats your excuses for you and your husband not to help at home so what makes you think the children don’t see that and they shouldn’t expect to follow suit? Children learn what they are taught and y’all are teaching them that if they have jobs, they don’t have to do anything around the house. Lazy parenting!
Verbal and mental abuse is never discipline. Strict is never abuse. Have your husband see someone or you may just loose your child for a while maybe they will come back when they get more mature but seriously hurting a child whatever age is not good . Prayers
Having chores for children is one thing but you and your husband haven’t had to maintain any upkeep in years bc you rely on them to do it?! I’m sorry but where are you allowing them to be kids? Why are they expected to maintain a perfect household yet you as the parents are not? I’m sorry but I’d have to agree with your 15 year old not ok. Children are not meant to keep your home. Basic chores are one thing but what you described is not even slightly acceptable in my opinion You and your husband don’t do upkeep bc you work yet your child works and is still expected to do upkeep on top of school I’d assume. Seems like you both need a lesson in proper parenting
Yeah they should do chores but jeezo ur man sounds like a prick if any man dad or not done that with my kids then god forbid tell him to do and through shite at the moon and I would seriously consider divorcing the Fuk
I feel like chores are important and teaches the children. I think if they do their chores you shouldn’t complain how well, it might give them a complex
How sick is it that you & your husband put “a clean house” before the emotional & mental wellbeing of your children.
You all sound lazy & abusive & you deserve to be screamed at & belittled, because honey from this post you 2 are FAR FROM PERFECT…
I know parents like you, & when their kids left home, they never looked back. Can’t say I blame them
I was raises strict. I dont rob or kill.i have manners and respect. Good job. The bible says if you spare the rod and spoil the child thus thy raise a fool. I was strict on my 2 boys they are great adults. Wonderful husbands and fathers.
Your daughter is correct. This is child abuse and you’re allowing it.
Simple: to much of anything is not good…let up both you and your husband…for when the time comes…they will skip town
They are your kids not your maids
Let go a little, but yes, the yelling and name calling sound like abuse. My husband works full-time, my kids go to school(that is their job), and since I stay home, I pick up the slack. Whatever that maybe and that includes if my children haven’t cleaned to my standards. It’s my standards, not theirs and they shouldn’t have to accommodate me. I know that parenting is a fulltime job and I am okay with that since my kids mental health matters and their childhood matters.
This sounds like child abuse
I agree a lot with what has already been said. How is it fair that you and your husband’s excuse for doing no “upkeep” on the house is a your guys’ full time jobs is seen as acceptable but school and homework is not for your children? Depending on how quickly they finish homework, those hours are pretty much the same as a full time job. I have nothing against chores but there is something really wrong when two parents haven’t had to do much as far as housework in years. If you two want such a spotless house then you also need to be putting in lots of effort to keep it that way! And even more troubling that your husband is being verbally abusive. If it is not acceptable for your children to be speaking to you two the way he is berating them, then it should not be acceptable for him to treat him thusly. Your daughter is right and y’all need to get your act together.
You sound like the wicked stepmother off of Cinderella. And yes it is verbal abuse if your husband is calling them names and calling them lazy no child should have to deal with that and make some loser self respect and self-worth.
Your kids hate you. Great job.
This is abuse and there is absolutely no sugar coating it. Counseling now before your children get taken away.
Oh man, your daughters poor mental health I hope she gets to pick you and your husbands old age homes….
Chores are essential to running a home with children. But Fuck. Don’t you think life is hard enough for them. If they can’t have peace in their own home. They’ll find it somewhere else. Not all kids are the same.
Either this is a troll post or you’re really out of touch.
Why are you ok with your kids being called names? I pray they don’t act like him towards their future children. It hurts my heart that they have to go through this.
i was a single mom of 5 children,and yes they all had some chores,i worke 2 full time job’s ( as child support was not possible back then unless you had money for a lawyer) but hoestly i did most of the heavy lifting in our home,yes i exspected them to look after ceraint things,and as they got older i taught them how to do their washing etc,but hey it went usuall quite well,they are all grown up,all parents and boys as well as girls know how to handle a household !! my daughter in laws are amazing women as well so are my girls life partners !! and the grand kid’s are wonderful all 10 of them,and my greatgrands,still little but something to be very proud off ! name calling is not acceptable not for children and not for grown ups !!
Expecting chores to be done is normal and good, kids should learn basic life skills. However there is never a reason for yelling and name calling and, if you think they’ve done a good job and don’t stick up for them when your husband is yelling and calling names you also have a problem. You and your husband need to work on yourselves and pick up some of the slack. You’re kid is going to school and working. That’s a lot, give her a bit of a break.
Coming from a home where my parents did this same exact thing to me and my siblings, I will tell you they will grow up to resent you and you will be lucky if you have a relationship with them when they are older. I am now 30 and have 2 kids of my own and i refuse to make them do all chores in the house. Me, my husband and our kids all work together. Yes there are certain chores they have such as making their bed and putting their laundry away to name a few that they do on their own but other chores that PARENTS should be doing is something they can do if they choose to so they can earn money. I will put in that my children are very respectful and have learned the concept of managing their own money and they are still kids being kids without having to clean the whole house!!!
I wouldn’t worry about n the floors.but.dishes? If she wants to eat, she should be washing the dishes after. Does she set the table? She’s.not a baby.She can help. I was the oldest of 4. I washed dishes.for.6. It wasn’t A big.deal. !y mother.washed my clothes and made me a lunch if I wanted none for school. She just expected us to help. Not a big deal. My ex husband didn’t have to.do anything and didn’t.even know what size underwear bye wore or how to make.instant coffee. At 15 she can learn how.to.do.thing s she will need.to.do 5 years.down the road. Tone down the gel
Ing but be firm
I agree with EVERYTHING that has been said!! You 2 need to Let up! You an your husband need to be doing Chores are well. You kids jobs right now is to go to school an do their homework. They can do some chores but not all of them an you accept them to be PERFECT!!! NO BODY IS PERFECT!!They need time to be KIDS. YOU 2 ARE WAY TOO MUCH!!!
Thankyou for this manual on how to NOT treat your children.
You’ll both be old and lonely when your kids are old enough to leave and never look back.
Also pretty gross of you to just sit back and allow your children to be called names x
If you don’t do chores because you work full time why should she when she’s at school full time and works on top of that? You should be meeting the same expectations you set for them
Agreeinng with the majority of the 1000 other comments. A B U S E
This is a bit gross. Verball abuse is still abuse and i suffered from it. It still influences me and how I am as an adult at times.
WHY do you and your hubby do almost NO house work but she has to when she has school, and home work too AND a part time job!
Sounds like you have slaves not kids. And let’s be honest $80 is NOTHING in this day and age. Sounds like they are working for a couple dollars a day if they are doing chores and cleaning every day.
Shes not acting out, she’s opening up about her feelings to you and at 15 that is excellent and you should be thankful for that. Encourage her and let her know you like to hear her views on things.
I hope you and the dad also show alot of love and attention to the kids. If so it’s important for context you include that.
What you’re teaching them is great. They’ll be better for it as adults.
Keeping high standards and making children accountable for a few chores is great. Understanding it took 40 to 50 years for dad to harness such high standards. The kids are learning and need to be praised for efforts but subtly pointed out where theres room for improvement. Name calling is abuse. Theres zero tolerance for it… he’s letting out his frustrations from work etc. A regular exercise regime would help.
I also give my kids $80 per month, lots of listening, love, understanding, advice…firm but fair.
Is this a fucking joke?
This is to the freakin extreme. You just let your husband call your children names… and you do nothing. Sounds like he’s narcissistic… and y’all have to obey him . Including you because it doesn’t explain why your not defending your children… you need to stand up be a mom and don’t allow him to call your children names … your children are gonna leave one day and never hear from them again… sounds like your using a excuse as a nice home , pets and paying them. As a excuse for them to be doing all this . I definitely think kids should have chores … but being called names and and being responsible for the whole house. Why the hubby can be drill sargeant the heck no . You as mom should be doing more. And hubby should be doing some cleaning instead of yelling and calling names. He wants it a certain way he should shut tf up and do it hisself… he’s mentally abusing them. And your messed up in the head for allow it and not protecting your children period.
Yeah so saying they are called “lazy, etc.” I know the tendencies of the mother to not make it seem as bad as it is. Lived that Yelling at them,
Over things that aren’t up to ocd standards… I grew up similarly, but a lot worse. All I can say is lay off. Kids have enough shit to worry about that you aren’t even contemplating… this will lead to resentment and you are NOT going to like the outcome. You both and the kids needs some balance. They’re children, not maids. You’re the parent. You had them… and while they should help and contribute, they shouldn’t be made to feel like idiots because they didn’t do a job to above average standards. It’s a parents job to keep up the household, sure they can help… but holding them to the fire and calling names, etc. over the upkeep of YOUR household to extreme standards is ridiculous. And do you really want to waste some of the best years with your children hung up on this b.s.?!?!
Umm… chores should be split between everyone in the house, not just the kids. And their dad raising his voice and calling them names because a job hasn’t been done to his standard is abuse. As for your 15 year old, working + school + homework + chores are going to burn her out so fast she will end up resenting you for her treatment. You should be greatful that the kids understand they need to help with chores but expecting them to complete all chores and set a pretty high standard on that is so inrealistic
You and hubby need to chill out a lot. You and hubby need to help out. Are they getting homework done ? Sounds like there’s no time for that cause they’re doing chores. Why are you allowing abuse to happen ? Verbal abuse is disgusting and leads to long term effects- I know cause I’m living it. When do they just get to be ?
I don’t believe it is okay to have children as slaves. How do they learn respect when yelled at and abused. Does your husband ever do chores to his own standard. Totally agree this is unacceptable and abusive. Teach them to love themselves and each other. Yelling and calling names is awful and you support it with your silence. This is teaching your child what relationships can be. Creepy
I would hate to have to two as my parents
Wow. You work so don’t want to do much chores and exoect your “CHILDREN” to do them. They are kids.
They go to school
And have homework. If you work 9-5 they go school 9-3 plus homework.
Sounds like slavery tbh.
I understand chores but not to this extent of being abused coz of it.
Sounds like your getting ‘free’ housework by forcing your children to work. Your 15 is correct of the verbal abuse-abuse is still abuse. This cause psychological and emotional trauma that effects children more than your husband realizes. Fix your husbands dictatorship methods or suffer the consequences.
Kids are not slaves.
This is abuse.
Honestly $20 a week for a teenager when you make them do everything because you both work full-time. I paid my kids more than that and I was on a pension and had 6
Children learn by example. What example exactly are you attempting to teach your children?
See Rachel Marsh like I said this page is gonna have me put back in fb jail for saying what I gotta say things like this
I agree with my niece u guys sound to much over the top for real.kids need life skills but they also need a good education
Kids are not ment to be your maid…I believe in chores but this is extreme…kids are going to fall short on those days how about instead of waiting till dad gets home…how about you help them when they fall short…you have days you dont wonna cook or do laundry…why is it ok for you but not them when they have a bad day…
I believe in chores and discipline but you guys basically expect your kids to be your maids. I pay my house keeper more than you pay your children. That’s ridiculous. The way he talks to you children too is abuse and you just let him do it. You are just as bad as your husband
This is literally disgusting and you should both be ashamed of yourselves. The mere fact that you allow this to occur and agree to most of it confirms neither of you should be allowed to parent these poor kids.
Life long psychological damage as we speak.
Despicable.
Sitting back while your husband abuses your children is unacceptable and makes you just as guilty as he is of abuse. You reap what you sew. Sounds like your going to be a very lonely couple when your children become adults and you will only have yourself to thank
“He calls them names” “they fall short quite often”
He’s abusive
Parents fill in the gaps where their children fall short, not push them down in it
You, and your husband, sound like two morons, you work, and cook some meals, and your husband works, your kids go to school, do their homework, and do all the housework, sounds like you and your husband, are two lazy idiots, that only had children, so they can do everything, as for your lazy husband, sounds like he needs his teeth knocked out, sounds like children services should investigate.
Honestly I couldn’t even get through all of this because I became irritated. You didn’t have kids to clean your home spotless and perfect. If you want your house perfect, do it yourself. Your kids are not your maids.
Chores are great, but there comes a point where it really is abuse in my opinion. Fix your all attitudes now before you lose the relationships with your kids.
That’s disgusting. You’re not raising them kids for them to be respectful to others, you want them to respect you and you’re both lazy and this will not only push them away but it will certainly create distance where there will be no relationship. I would know. This happened to me. The father is disgusting for putting those children down for not doing things the way he wants them. As long as they do them and do them as good as they can, that what should matter. The rest of it is up to you two to figure out and do amoungst yourselves. That’s disgusting to make them feel like less then because it’s not how you two want it. That’s fucking stupid. Do it yourselves then. You’re not even raising them, they’re raising themselves at that point.
That is abuse and you both sound like a couple of wack jobs
You sound like awful parents.
First of all you need to divorce that maniac !!! And if you ever want to have a relationship with your kids when they are all out their own you better change now !!! And let them be kids there is a way to give them chores without excepting them to do it his way l, then if they don’t do it exactly the way he wants it done he verbally abuses them and you think that’s ok !!! If he doesn’t like the way they do it tell that loser of a husband and control freak to do it himself!!! And you allowing this is just as bad !!! Your both disgusting!!!
You 100% are abusive if you’re calling your children names or allowing your husband to do so. Your children aren’t your slaves, they didn’t ask to be here. Chores are fine of course but they are not here to do your jobs of keeping your house up. This is one of the most sad posts I’ve ever seen.
Yeah that’s shitty. You don’t even upkeep your own house? You chose to have children, not servants? I get chores. I’m the “mean mom” that has made my kids do chores since they could toddle; but the way your life is described here is abusive adjacent at best. You work and don’t do jack else and you expect all your kids to go to school, which can indeed be like a job, and do chores to white glove inspections and work themselves? What happened to letting kids have a childhood?
Your husband is an abuser and you are very likely to ruin your future relationship with your kids. All my kids had chores and took turns to cook but what you’re describing is way over the top. I’m surprised the 20 year old still lives with you. And my concern is the example you have set by letting your husband treat them like that. Are you sure you are not too frightened of him to argue for some reasonable expectations? It sounds like he may be psychologically abusing you too
My heart sank for your children reading this
I’m gonna say this. We have 5 children all girls all ages 8 to 18. Our home is lived in, we have dishes in the sink until we fill the dishwasher, I have probably 4 loads of laundry that need done, we need to weed eat, we need to sweep floors for the 4th time this week(we live in the sand dunes). We have chickens and ducks and kittens that use a kitty box. We have 3 dogs too those all require attention and maintenance. WE read that again WE ALL DO OUR PART TO TAKE CARE OF OUR HOME. My children have respect and chores daily but we also recognize they are children and like most we pay our children for said chores they are specified to do daily. Get over your pompous self and pick up a broom or spatula and do something yourself we work full time too and guess what I still take my self home and cook my family a meal because that’s how you do it. Are you picking up what I am laying down or did you need to get your husbands approval. Pull your head out of your ass and make changes you have bigger balls than you think that’s why they are on your chest and apparently your 15 year old has some sense about her. You are the type that buy your kids off and that sucks. Recognize now before it’s too late.
My parents did these things to me and too a point it’s ok. But you guys are going to far and need to learn as they get older to losen the reins slightly otherwise your children won’t want you in their adult lives or they will go crazy when they turn 18 because you guys were too hard. It’s also never ok to yell at your children that much and call them names, it’s unnecessary, they are children and still learning. I get learning respect but they fear you they don’t respect you. If anything they don’t respect you at all for not standing up to your husband and him for treating them poorly.
Did y’all have kids so they can take care of all the house responsibilities & you two work? I’m sorry let the kids enjoy their lives too! It’s good that you’re teaching them literally stuff that every human being should be capable of doing but damn y’all going too far!
So basically you’re telling your children that they aren’t good enough? They will never make you happy, they are stupid and worthless because you don’t want to do chores. You are shaming them which IS mentally abusive. So your daughter is correct and you two Are the A-holes. Giving them nice things doesn’t mean you love them. Sounds like you’re just using them as slaves. I said what I said.
This isn’t installing discipline it’s installing fear which is not parenting
Your child is trying to talk to you, listen
Just because you’re the parents doesn’t mean you know everything or what’s right
You will see the backlash of all this when they are older
Who brags about making their kids nervous wrecks and having them question EVERTHING about themselves. Trust me they will
Also. Get some counseling. Bcuz you and your husband are not equipped to handle the mentally damaged children youre creating
When do they have time to be kids…. Far out!!! Your kids will move out as soon as they can and likely want nothing to do with either of you, especially your husband…… that is verbal and emotional abuse plain and simple!
This post is really getting me and it is probably one of the most sad posts I have ever read
You chose to have children, they didn’t ask to be born. Don’t have kids if you’re gonna treat them as maids. I swear some people just should not be parents and you two fit that category.
It’s ok to teach your children how to do chores around the house, but what you are describing is truly over the top.
I am surprised the 20 year old still lives with you.
Your daughter is righ…your husband is verbally and psychologically abusing your kids and your are complicit.
I feel sorry for them.
You are both abusive and you because you stand by and allow him to treat them like that. There is nothing wrong with kids doing chores but he is too particular and too anal. The other kids are like trained dogs which is why you don’t have trouble with them. I am glad your 15 year old sees you both for what are. You keep this nonesense up and you will lose them when they are old enough to get away from you.
Do you and your husband do any house chores? or are your “slaves” whoops, sorry, children expected to do them all?
This has to be a troll post because what? Doing chores and cleaning okay yeah I do think it’s necessary but he shouldn’t be belittling them if it’s not done to his bs standards. Verbal abuse is still abuse! They didn’t ask to be here, y’all decided to have them so they’re your responsibility! Not the other way around so why are y’all acting like they owe you something? If you want someone to clean your house every day because you’re too lazy to do it then hire a maid. Honestly you never know when your last day will be so stop wasting literal precious time with your babies on being mad about cleaning. I don’t blame your daughter at all she’s 100% right.
Yeah my parents were the same, thats abuse.
To be honest, even hired help wouldn’t put up with that nonsense. Clean your own house and ask your kids to pick up after THEMSELVES. Wtf
You are to strick on your kids. I had chores growing up and my parents knew I was a kid. So sometimes things weren’t perfect. They understood and we talked about it.
Hope you save enough money to chose your own retirement home, you may find yourself under the bridge
In my experience and we learned the hard way, that our children are their own people and may not be able to emotionally thrive within their environment with you and how you are parenting them. Our daughter attempted suicide last year because she didn’t want to live anymore, her support system failed her and we had to suddenly undo our way of tough love and old school parenting. It’s not about you doing the wrong thing, or your child not following your rules, it’s simply about recognition of where your child is at. Please listen to them and understand that your parenting or family expectations may result in your child pulling back from you, because they just can’t cope anymore. I really don’t care why your husband is yelling or why you are not able to create harmony and cleanliness or a tidy home. It will be clean and tidy one day when they leave home and it certainly will be of you end up burying them. All the best with learning, unlearning and relearning.