My daughter hurt our dog and needs help

Perhaps She needs a facility that can test and treat her needs instead of just verbal therapy. Animal abuse is a given sign she needs help and I am sure you have seen many other signs…this could prevent something a whole lot worse in the future…The signs are there

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This is NOT anxiety or depression. She needs serious and immediate professional help before she ends up actually killing someone and being permanently institutionalized.

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Similar situation… But she didn’t try to kill our dog she said she’d burn down our home and not tell anyone or call 911 for help. She’s been inpatient and it worked for a season. She is on medication, sees a psychiatrist, psychologists, 2 individual therapist and a family therapist. Nothing is seeming to work. She is needing to be readmitted but is super manipulative, a marvelous liar and so “sweet” that when we try to get her admitted no one will help!

If you can get your baby admitted, please do!

My daughter is now 16 (17 this month) we’ve been battling her mental health since she was 12. She gets “better” at these games and hiding her mental health issues everyday.

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You’re daughter needs more help than just therapy. She might need to be committed. Hurting animals is a serious sign of some serious issues. Please don’t make excuses for your daughter and get her real help. This is very disturbing. If she was my daughter I would be probably committing her so she doesn’t do anything else as drastic or worse! You need to help her.

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Ever think maybe he quite spending time with her and now she’s upset about that

I think for a issue like this it’s best to not ask for a general opinion of a common person’s knowledge. The “advice” you get may end up hurting you or your daughter even more .

Praying for all of you , in the MIGHTY Name of JESUS

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Sounds like she bipolar

I would rehome any living creatures in your home until you are able to get this under control. Definitely needs some help. This is WAY beyond bipolar.

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I would seek some sort of therapy to see why she’s acting out like this

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Hug her tighter, love her stronger. I love my dogs, I do, BUT I love my children more. If the therapy is not working find a different one, each therapist or treatment, it’s not universal, it’s not a one size fits all situation. You need to find the one that clicks for her. As for being scared of your child… I have no words. Be scared for her not of her. Really Crack down on that behavior, because if you just do nothing and show fear, it will only get worse.

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Honestly your daughter needs more help than therapy. Something is going on and she definitely needs help beyond what you can do. This incident is a stepping stone for something worse. And the more she gets away with things the more she will do and worse it will get.

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one of the most damaging things you can do is turn a blind eye and not give them the help they need. I’m not going to label her a psychopath since I don’t know her but I do know her actions are a cry for help regardless. While I’m not going to assume she’ll hurt others more in the future- I wouldn’t take that chance. advocate for your child and get her help.

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Dont know how this kid was raised or if anything traumatizing happened to her as a kid,but if not could also be bc of lack of discipline in the home. This can happen as a result of being your kid’s friend instead of parent. Then they get so spoiled and self absorbed that they only care about themselves and will do anything…literally Anything…to get their way. May just be bc didnt get spanked at all or any rules,boundaries as a kid. If you divorced her dad on top of spoiling her and she resented that…just a guess…then brought in someone new,she could be furious and acting out. You ALL need to go to therapy togethet and get to the bottom of this behavior. Let her know that she needs to come clean about why did what she did or she will have to be either arrested or committed and everything she has taken away until she can open up and get things straightened out. Before commit her right off…try to get her to open up and hash out Why she is doing this. It could just be bottled up resentment and anger and her just reaching a point where she doesnt care anymore what she does…or it could be something she needs meds for. I would start with trying to figure out a reason through therapy and taking away everything she likes in her room and locking it up for a week until she opens up. In that time,ask someone to watch the dog that week while yall go to therapy every day as a family to work everything out. Tell her that,if she cant come clean about why she did what she did and show genuine remorse for it,then she will have to go to a hospital to be evaluated for mental illness. It has to end before she hurts a person instead of a pet.

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I agree with the sentiments expressed by many others so far— it sounds like this goes beyond depression and anxiety, and I think your daughter may need different help than she has been getting with her current therapist. Try to look for a psychologist or psychiatrist in your area who specializes in Conduct Disorder / Antisocial Personality Disorder. They will likely be able to offer more guidance on the situation and targeted behavioral therapy. Wishing you the best of luck in getting her the help she needs. :two_hearts:

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https://dmh.mo.gov/hawthorn-childrens-psychiatric-hospital

Sounds like psychopathy. She needs a lot more than therapy. She needs long term hospitalization where they can stabilize a medication regimen. Even then, with psychopathy, medications rarely ever fully stabilize the disorder.

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Traumatic Brain Injury and Psychosis: What Is the Connection? - PubMed.

Here are a couple links that talk about physical damage to the brain, one a injury such as a blow to the head the other a tumor. Maybe yoy should ask about testing for brain injury. Even parasites can cause such issues.

Psychiatric aspects of brain tumors: A review - PMC.

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Some people need more than just therapy. You also don’t want her to feel worse for how she is, but she needs to realize what is and isn’t okay. She’s 13 and that’s a turning age for dark things in the brain. You should have her assessed for basically anything. Determine what actually lies within her, because it isn’t always our own intentional doings. We’re not all wired the same

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I’ve watched a lot of Id channel shows like 48 hours, the making of a murder, confessions of a killer and killer couples. But 9 times out of ten the person starts with animals. Not saying your daughter is a killer but she definitely needs a different therapist maybe some inpatient care. Honestly i would be afraid if all it took was something as simple as fireworks for her to try to take the dogs life. What could trigger her to attack yall while yall sleep.

I was married to a man who has the same issues. My pets would disappear. Years later I overheard him bragging to friends that he had taken each one out and shot it. He never changed, felt no remorse. Scariest part was I never knew when or how he would retaliate for some unknown slight.

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She needs serious counseling
A normal 13 yo girl knows that is just wrong

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Jesus! I think you’ve got a baby serial killer on your hands. I’m really glad you are seeking help for her…

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Ma’am that’s how killing starts off. By harming innocent Animals.

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It def sounds like more than depression and anxiety to me. It sounds like your daughter has conduct disorder. I’m adding a link for you to look into it. She’s going to need more than just talk therapy to help and unfortunately I don’t know that there is any good way to stop something like that from happening again. Find a child psychiatrist, not psychologist, psychiatrists can diagnose and prescribe meds so if there’s anyone who might be able to help her it’s a psychiatrist.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/conduct-disorder?amp=true

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I really hate to be part of this echo chamber, but there is something deeper going on. Get her checked out in a mental hospital. Follow your gut, do not let this go further.

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Sounds like a possible trigger. Did something else happen to cause this type of outburst? Does she have some type of trauma ? Things aren’t always surface level.

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This is deep imbedded trauma. Watch any criminal minds episode. She will try to kill something again. May not be for another two years. Things like that aren’t just a “phase”. If anything else triggers her she could seriously hurt or kill someone. She needs in patient treatment. Not just therapy.

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I’d suggest getting a different/better therapist

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This is beyond just therapy. She needs inpatient treatments//therapy

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Maybe counselling as a family?

Please get her help before she does something to you or your partner or even herself prayers that something works out for y’all :pray::pray::pray::pray:

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At 13 she’s old enough to know better. She tried to kill the dog because you had to leave a friend’s house early? There’s WAY more going on than anxiety or depression. I have severe anxiety and honestly my dog has always been a comfort for me. I can’t say I blame your partner for being afraid. It started with the dog, and could definitely progress to humans.

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Mental health professional chiming in to say trying to hurt animals is a very very bright red flag indicating sociopathy. She should be institutionalized until she is stable.

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She is on the path to being on one of those serial killer shows! Run with her to the mental hospital. She is a danger to others!

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Wow!!! Not good…problems in the making…get MORE help involved

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None of that sounds like standard depression and anxiety, like most others have said, she needs more help.

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Time to get a good theripst!!

Honestly i try to give encouragement. Offer 2nd chances. However i would be scared. Hide all knifes. Bats. Hammer. Axes. Guns. Put extra locks on your bedroom door. Pray and get her inpatient help.

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Sound like bipolor hold her accountable and focus her to apologize and if she doesn’t do give her nothing. She might even have border line personality.

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She and your family all need therapy, your daughter is dangerous to you

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She sounds like she has severe mental illness. She may need to go to a psychiatric hospital so she can get the help she needs. If you don’t address it now, she could grow up to kill someone.

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Get rid of any pets in the home asap! Also lock up medications, sharps, take lock off her door to her bedroom. Maybe install cameras in the home to monitor. Maybe consider a partial program where she go to treatment during the day and comes home in the evening. Also family based services which is intense services for the entire family. They come to your home when they do therapy and during a crisis. They will create a behavior plan for her when there are behaviors. Just my professional opinion. Have been working in the mental health/services field for more than 25 years. Best of luck. Remember DONT REWARD NEGATIVE BEHAVIORS. AND REHOME THOSE FURBABIES.

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That is some serious red flags . Take her to therapy and have her diagnosed for sociopath

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Everything about this world we live in tells our kids it is ok to be cruel and inhumain. It isn’t just your child… It is an 2 generations and it is only escalating. Probably wouldn’t want to stay under the same roof if you value your lives… Likely that was testing the waters for bigger prey. You! Good luck.

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There’s got to be a reason for her acting out as she does. Whether it’s mental health or something deeper like a trauma or a combination of both. I think it needs to be taken further. It scares me to think she has no remorse for what she did to the dog- it’s a living being. It seems like her actions are coming from a place of anger, hurt and frustration. Maybe what’s really hurting her isn’t being dealt with. I think you need to have a good talk to her and see if there’s anything at all she needs to talk about. Also, like other people have mentioned, I’d be really careful leaving anything around which could cause injury to anyone or even herself. She’s in desperate need for support and it needs to be addressed. My heart goes out to your family as I can only imagine what yous are going through at this current moment in time. Hopefully you can get it dealt with and your daughter can get the help she needs.

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Is consider institutionalizing her… it seems her current therapist isn’t working, she’s a danger to herself and others as she has proved, this behavior is terrifying and can get worse, it needs to be addressed by professionals that can handle her needs.

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Please get her help in a facility to keep everyone safe. If she would do that to a dog because she’s made she had to leave for it she will retaliate against people.

I’ve been here and it’s scary. My daughter was only 4 when she harmed our kitten. I did rehome the cutie I had our GP send referrals to the hospital at 5 she was diagnosed with Autism. It’s taken a lot of therapy. She is now 7 and has not physically harmed her sisters or pets since. We now have a cat and dog who she loves playing with.

The wedge between your partner and her due to the pet incident could be her reason for acting out. She may feel excluded and unloved by him and feel it’s a mission of his to make everyone feel the same about her. I’m not saying that is the cause but keep all possibilities in mind.

Seek help not just for her but as a whole family. Let her know she’s loved and your there for her. Of course remove obvious objects that pose a risk. She’s your daughter , she’s 13 she needs you.

As a mum locking my child in a psych unit and forgetting about her wouldn’t be a option.

I’d look into more in depth therapy. Medicating , in home help/support and should her health providers suggest she spend some time in a psychiatric hospital. Do everything as a family - Be sure to visit her and spend time with her in there as often as possible. Don’t treat her as fragile or ill. Go in there have fun and laugh share all the memories and photos you have of when she was at her happiest times. If you don’t cling to that mother daughter bond you’ll become strangers to one another if in the end she truly is beyond help. You can rest knowing as a family you done everything you possibly could to fight for her.

Just know that feeling the anger she does towards pets and people probably scares her as much as it does others even if she doesn’t show it.

It must be uncomforting to not have that self control. Hang in there.

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I think you need to have your daughter see a psychiatrist. Not just your basic family therapist but a legitimate psychiatrist that can help her work through whatever is bothering her. Trying to hurt the family pet is usually the number 1 sign of someone being a sociopath and she needs help, possibly even a psych hospital where she can work through whatever is bothering her without being in harm’s way, even from herself.

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I think your husband needs to leave before he ends up dead. See this is what happens when children are not disciplined from toddlerhood. Taught right from wrong. By the time their teens ,it’s to late and they are out of control than the parents are at a lose and don’t know what to do.

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She needs a psyc evaluation. Especially if she’s a danger to herself and others.

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This sounds like sociopathy. There is no known cure or therapy that can stop it. It’s worth have her brain scanned via MRI, so you can see what you’re really dealing with.

What most don’t know, and science is just now discovering, is that it’s less a mental illness, and more a physical deficit inside certain areas of the brain that govern empathy and impulse control.

I did see an amazing study done on sociopathic youth once, that put in place a heavily reward-centered protocol - since these kids do not respond to punishment, and think only of self, their needs, and what they can get from others.

The kids in the study were far from cured, but they learned how to manage themselves, and behave appropriately toward others - bc doing so would benefit them.

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Isn’t killing animals/hurting them for fun the first sign of psychopathy? This is very scary for your family and pets, it won’t just “go away”

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Please go to a doctor or hospital for help. She is going to hurt someone.

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She tried to take the life of your family pet as a punishment towards you and your spouse? Institutionalize the girl! I mean a grown man is scared of a 13 year old girl (for good reason) because she targets him! If she shows no remorse then where does that line get drawn between taking an animal vs human life??

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Sounds like a spoiled brat. I would give her to the state for a while until she straightens out.

Put her in a mental institute before she kills the dog or someone !!

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I feel your home needs to be cleansed. Get your daughter to be baptized :heart::heart:

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Pull her into line now
Before her narcissistic tendencies become more violent
And she actually does something more serious
Before she gets worse
Instead of a therapist
Take her to see a child phycoligst
It sounds like you may have been enabling her behavior
I’m not surprised your partner is terrified of her
I’m terrified for you , your partner but mainly for your dog
Which poses the question of how she got a syringe to start with
Take out every thing out of her bedroom except for her bed and clothes
Sad to say but please for the sake of your dog
Rehome it before she does kill it
She is old enough to know that every action has an oposit reaction
Tbh
I’m now worried for your neighbors pets as well as children younger then herself
Lock up all medication, all sharp object , household cleaning products
And anything else she can use to harm
I’m sure your partner didn’t sign up for this

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I’m with your partner on being “low-key scared of her” except I’d be straight up. TBH That’s some psycho behavior. She needs a psychologist not a counselor or therapist. She needs to have serious testing done. I also wouldn’t leave any children, toddlers, infants unattended around her. Let alone fur babies!

She could also just be extremely spoiled and you might need to take a parenting class or two. That behavior, assuming she isn’t mentally unstable, is absolutely not acceptable. She should of been straightened out way before she is older now, it will be harder.

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Please give the dog to another family that won’t harm it . Wow she needs help

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commit the kid. Id be worried that she’d try to hurt y’all while you sleep

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Sounds like a psychopath. They don’t feel remorse and would easily kill a person or animal.

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She may be taking drugs…get her a different therapist if the current one isn’t helping. Sometimes you have to try a few different ones to get the right fit. You and your husband can go to “behavioral therapy” which will help teach you to parent challenging children.

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Um why is this even a question ? Commit your child and get professional help . She sounds mentally unstable & a threat to other animals and people . I would be scared even living with her . Get cameras installed as well .

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Throw the whole damn kid away. Future serial killer in the making. Sleep with both eyes open.

I don’t know who your child is seeing for Therapy but it’s not working. This child is mentally I’ll and seriously needs to be watched 24X7. I

You may need institutional professional help.

Also, she may need to be committed, it can really help.
Listen to your partner. There is something seriously wrong here.

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I know it’s hard to hear but she seems to be displaying signs of a sociopath. She lacks empathy for others. She needs to see a psychiatrist that can prescribe her anti psychotics, monitor her and commit her if needed…

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Give the poor dog away. I’d “high key” be scared of your daughter. Yikes. Get her some counseling.

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Unalive…you mean kill! She needs help

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She needs to be committed and evaluated. I would be afraid to be around my own child😢

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Find the dog a good home and Do Not Have any more kids!!!

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This sounds like my friends child. They are same age and have autism/Asperger’s/ADHD. She has caught her child with knives taken out the kitchen drawer and threaten to kill people. Everything needs to be locked away. It’s disturbing :flushed:

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Start with a church program and sometimes you can find help there. She is jealous of all around her ,she needs help.

Some of these responses are disgusting. I’m sorry that you came here for advice and have people saying horrible things to you. It’s not right. I hope you find the right professional help for your daughter and some counseling for the whole family as a group sounds necessary as well. Please don’t let some of these comments discourage or hurt you. We’re all just doing our best for our kids. Sometimes mental health issues are disregarded bc they’re not able to be seen like physical ailments. Keep pushing until she gets the appropriate help.

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She may have "border line personality disorder " she has no feelings for others! Please keep the poor dog safe from her! This child needs Help, and I mean Qualified Professional Help! She will only get worse and You can’t fix her! Prayers for you all!!:pray::pray::pray::pray:

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Get her to the GP and get a mental health plan, there’s definitely something going on

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In a situation like that, it seems like she’s a serious threat to herself and others. Most of the time a psych stay would be needed to make sure she doesn’t have any violent thoughts about killing herself or you and your partner.

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I would definitely find a new therapist if there’s no progress with the current one, have her evaluated

I have never been in your shoes, but I hope you talked to the therapist about the dogy insulin overdose. If you are comfortable with that therapist then a new one or a Teen Physicalist. I hope things get better for the whole family soon. You’re in my prays.

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You really need fb to tell you your daughter is a sociopath?

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Some mean comments. I would take my daughter to a mental health hospital and have her evaluated. Right meds and right Dr/therapist could get you the help you need. And get one for you and your husband to handle this with your daughter.

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I don’t have all the answers, but I know you could use a hug and some love right now. My heart hurts from you. Sending love and thoughts and hugs and prayers. :heart:

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Some of these comments make me wanna vomit …. I can’t believe the way some of y’all speak about a child ! A child that’s hurting an having issues that she may not even understand . Puberty on top of mental health issues is super drastic things for a child to deal with …. I highly suggest getting your babes someone to talk too & explaining to a therapist what all exactly happened , they will help her with a diagnosis & help her understand. I’m so sorry your family is going through this

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Take her to a new therapist, she also needs to be committed. The one she has is awful if there’s no progress. Also, try discipline as well. If she’s trying to kill the dog over having to leave a friend’s house, imagine what she could do even to you or your husband if something bad happens. I am in no way judging you, but your daughter needs help… Lots of help, even if that means that she has to be institutionalized temporarily.

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Get her professional help and keep all animals away from her !

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Look into a psychiatric hospital or group home if she’s no longer safe or causing others in the home to be unsafe

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Nobody can diagnose your daughter over the internet. Has she been diagnosed with anything from a psychiatrist? I hate to say this, but I don’t think you should keep your dog in the home with her. You can’t possibly keep your eye on her 24/7… and that poor dog is in danger. I would give the dog to someone else, such as a close family member and just help with the cost of medicine since it is your dog! I know that sounds drastic but the dog needs a safe environment too! I agree with some others here, you need to get her into a better treatment plan. Possibly another psychiatrist! You may need some therapy yourself. Things like this are hard on family members. Good luck.

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She needs professionally diagnosed. Im sorry but I sure hope you issue punishment when those out bursts happen and demand apologies. But if she doesn’t feel remorse you need to go deeper then therapy.

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She needs help, more than just therapy. There is a difference between depression and what she’s doing. She’s taking no responsibility, showing no remorse and continues the same behavior. I understand as a parent how hard it is but something needs to be done before something worse happens.

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I know you said she is in therapy, but it’s not helping. If she is behaving this way while also in therapy it may be time to consider psychiatric care instead, like finding medication for her. It sounds as if she may have a diagnosable mental illness and it needs to be managed.

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Get her help before it’s too late and keep her away from animals!

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She’s very temperamental and needs undivided attention and pure communication, not judgemental and fear. She’s upset and she wants to show you how angry she is. How would you feel if you compare to the dog and the dog is more special than you are? How would you feel if you are alone and no one can answer your feelings question and sent to therapist instead? I’m sorry for your dog but that must be something piling up inside her that she wants to let you know that she doesn’t know how or no one give her a chance. Therapist are not parents. She doesn’t need help, she needs you.

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She needs some serious help and I don’t blame the partner for being scared. Keep her away from the helpless animals.

Driving a wedge between you and your partner? I assume hes not her dad she probably feels that very much… your partner has to be on board with getting her the help she needs and love her through it all. I would jump through every hoop possible to help my child. If she tried to hurt the dog bc she missed out on something herself its seems like she has some jealousy issues . I’m sure theres more going on. Theres no one your daughter feels close enough with that’s she expressed her real feelings to them?

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Ding ding ding :bellhop_bell: they use to be close​:woman_shrugging:t3: I hope not by has happened!?!

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Here’s a question when did this start? Has she always been like this or did it start happening about 6 months ago for longer? Did your husband do something to her? I’m not trying to put ideas in your head or anything but you said they use to be closed and if she never been like this before you really need to find the trigger of what started it. But you need to make sure you’re husband isn’t the reason first than move forward to find the reason. But she needs more than therapy and if she tried to kill the dog she may try again or do something worst next time Im sorry you are going through this and I really hope she gets the help she needs

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Seek more help not just therapy xx she has a dark side and needs to be controlled :heart::heart: