I talked to a lawyer and they said with the parents being married there is no way grandparents can have rights to see the kids by law…. I live in ND….
I agree with contacting legal aid and talking with a lawyer about if grandparents have rights in the state that you live in.
Document EVERYTHING and if/when it comes to court it will show how unstable she is
Here in Australia grandparents are seen as a important part of a child’s life. It’s what’s best for the child not what the parents think should happen
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Ok in Ontario grandparents have rights and go to court to get visitation you would have to have proof that she is unstable so you would need to get a lawyer and the lawyer would have to get medical records try setting up supervised visits couple hours once a month and go from there l wish you all the best
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Be able to prove your accusations
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There’s a group you might wanna check out!
Advocates Against Grandparents’ Visitation Rights
I’m sorry you’re going through this! Posts like this make me extra thankful for my amazing mother.
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Depends on state, WA has grandparent rights and you need “proven” reason of why a relationship isn’t in best interest of child…
Document everything she says and does
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From a person who dealt with that type of situation to even CPS getting involved well my kids have zero contact with their grandparents because the way my kids were treated, spoken to and how much abuse I dealt with by my kids grandmother
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I would file a restraining order against her.
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I don’t know what state you are in, but here in ohio we have what’s called “grandparent’s rights” and they can absolutely take you to court for it. I think it’s wrong on so many levels, but they win a lot because it’s hard to prove that someone is mentally or emotionally abusive.
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From what I have seen grandparent rights mostly come into play If one of the parents has passed away or if the parents are unfit. Doesn’t seem like you would have much to worry about
Get a restraining order and document any and all interactions from emails to dropping mail in your mail box
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Ok cool I’ll check when he gets home from work
It honestly depends where you are in
Grandparents have rights but they cannot demand to see their grandchildren as they aren’t the parents!
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There are grandparent rights, but you can have supervised visitation to assure child safety.
Let her court will sort it out and possibly even do supervised if you explain the situation
It really depends on where you live. Some places let grandparents have rights others don’t. But honestly I wouldn’t worry about it.
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How do grandparents hv rights to our children? Thats crazy they can take parents to court for visitation. None the less I would be saving everything if she is that toxic it will help prove that there is a legitimate reason why she isn’t allowed around your children.
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I would keep all the emails and letters and documents before going to court.if you can prove she’s unfit I’m sure she won’t be able to see them…
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Never heard of grandparents rights! Not sure what state you are in
Call a lawyer for legal advice in your state.
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She’s honestly probably just trying to use scare tactics on yall.
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Grandparents rights… she can take you to court to get visitation. My inlaws were about to do that with 2 of their grandchildren (they’re amazing people), the kids mom is not great, she gave in and let them visit now because she didn’t want the legal fees.
Is she violentt towards your children?
I know in alabama they have grandparent rights but only if the parent is unfit or one parent has passed away were tryi g to get visitation to see my niece since my brother died
Since y’all seem to have logical reasoning, Personally I would suggest that y’all file a No contact order on her, before she has the opportunity to file anything on you. Therefore you’d be starting your legal paper trail of proof & evidence. Providing the courts with your reasoning beforehand is never a bad idea, that way you won’t be blindsided by a motion for visitation without your side already documented & provided.
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Most states only allow grandparents rights when there isn’t a 2 parent household with the bioparents or there is a long term relationship with the grandparents and grandchildren
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Depends on what state you are in.
Is there a good reason for not allowing her to visit? Grandparents do have rights depending on what state you’re in. It’s going to depend on to prove she’s unfit.
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Shes insane. You need to document everything she’s doing/has done and get a restraining order. ***Placing letters in your mailbox is a felony, as no one is to access said mailbox other than you and your spouse, and USPS.
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Based on a Supreme Court ruling, each state now has guidelines for grandparents visitation rights.
This is a viable case.
If the grandparents are unfit, it would be in your best interest to have solid evidence of that prepared.
Speak to an attorney in your state to find out what the rights and rules are in your state.
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Depends on the state. In many states if there was an established bond they will be granted like one overnight a week. That’s how it is in Florida
Look up the laws in your state or contact a lawyer
In Alabama they have grandparents right not sure about other states
Some states dp have grandparents rights, but some do not. Best to look up the laws in your state.
Not every state has grandparents rights! Fight fight fight and do not let that woman near your kids if you believe she is a danger to them. As you stated there have been multiple chances for behavioral changes and she has not taken those steps.
I’m a grandparent that won visitation for my grandson and daughter of whom I have full custody of.
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In the state of Virginia grandma is entitled to have her grands every other weekend. 3 weeks in the summer and every other holiday.
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KEEP ALL RECORDS. As grandparents, they have rights
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Grandparents only have rights when they are worth having grandchildren. My mother was not allowed near my child ever.
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Some states, like here in Arkansas, there are grandparents rights. Depending on your state, they could be granted visitation.
Normally grandparent rights are only enforced if the father is not in the child’s life for some reason but you need to look up the law for your state and keep every letter text and record phone calls they have apps for that and get an order of protection
Even in those states that have grandparent rights laws, the grandparents have to demonstrate there is an established relationship with the children that is not detrimental to the children’s emotional, mental or physical growth.
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Ugh I’d go file a no contact and or anti harassment like yesterday. That way if and when she does petition your response can include a copy of the NCO which I’m pretty certain with just the little bit you’ve told us on here one would be granted. That would be my first move. I would not tip toe lightly with this woman. If she’s threatening it she’s gonna do it. Start there.
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This happened to me long ago when my son’s girlfriend would not let us into our Grandson’s life. He was very young 17 and he begged us not to fight it, even though it hurt us very much…We respected my son’s wishes as he was fighting against her also so we never got to know our grandson at all even though I was there at the birth it didn’t matter, his gf at the time always got her way…
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Most states don’t have grandparents rights….
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Honestly alot of states don’t even have grandparent rights and if you are in a state that does get a lawyer tell them this show any proof you have ect they will protect your kids
Get a lawyer and ask them.
In most states, Grandparents only have rights if their child is no longer living.
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Document EVERYTHING. Show how toxic she is. Also it is you and your husband vs her and it is unlikely she’ll get anything if you can show why you BOTH don’t want her around. Usually one parent needs to be unfit or dead for that person’s parent to get rights depending. Another thing they’ll ask is how often she is around the kid’s, what is their relationship like (are kids close to or attached to her at all)
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Most states do have grandparents rights. There’s only 3 without. There’s also 3rd party visitation rights too.
What the state laws say and what can happen are two different things as There’s ways around it and up to the judge.
Canada. Australia and England also have grandparents rights.
I’d suggest you join Advocates Against Grandparents’ Visitation Rights.
They will have the best information for where you are and personal experiences from people who have been sued in the area you live.
You’ll need to create a fu binder and gain all evidence you can that she shouldn’t be involved in your children’s lives.
Even intact family’s are sued and can lose against the grandparent. So it’s best you talk to people that have gone through the same
Get a lawyer. Depending what state you’re in. In Louisiana grandparents only have rights if the father is deceased or incarcerated or if you and the father have been divorced for over 6 months and both parents have to agree… Was just going through this with my toxic father in law. Attorney said he doesn’t have a case in my situation. Each state is different. Do some research on grandparents rights in your state and talk to an attorney!
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Everyone is saying get a lawyer…please…don’t get a lawyer…their like $400 dollars an hour even on the phone… they’ll charge you…just lay back and see what unfolds here…she’s probably just pissing in the wind…when you do get papers from the court…if you get papers that is…you don’t need a lawyer to hear your Case… she’ll be the one needing the lawyer…
It depends on the state but when both parents are in agreement, and she’s shown to be unstable I don’t think she has any bering on getting to see them.
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I haven’t been taken to court, but I did take my kids Grandmother to court after she threatened legal action under very similar circumstances. Provide all documents & proof you have especially your phone, voice mails & text messages
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Unless your husband is dead they have no rights to your children file a restraining order against her she is disgusting the fact that she would want to take your children away from you their mother shows she’s weird af I’m very protective of my children and I don’t do well with threats to take them .
We we’re taken to court and they can’t do anything. They have no rights
The majority of states do not grant any rights to grandparents. I would research the laws in your state and possibly seek legal advice. Maybe you need to take her to court. Seriously.
If she can prove she has had a relationship with them Atleast in my state she can go for visitation of her grandchild.
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In Canada they have grand parent rights. It’s 2 days a month and can be court ordered depending on the situation. If you haven’t told anyone or reported it to a counsellor or worker. Little can be done if they choose this path.
Call a family
Lawyer and find out what the rules are where you are. Or google it. Say
Do grandparents have rights to grandchildren in (your state)
Write down everything, use dates and times if you have them and just plan a defence of why you had to remove her from your life and same as your husband and explain the chances given also and tell her to go away and bring you to court. If she is toxic for the kids and it has to be kid orientated unless she has made it impossible for you to be around her and she is harmful to the kids
Keep everything documented. Especially videos!!!
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Why do y’all keep coming to facebook for lawyer advice?!? Smh. Speak with a family law attorney in your area and see what you can do to prevent this.
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I did in UK. Grandparents rights don’t exist . Mine was saying all sorts of stuff and saying she would bad mouth me to my son. They basically said have to prove commitment to the child and best interests . Giving one a month visit only because I allowed it supervised m that all ended. But by court she was told a letter or a phone call a month was all she would be allowed x
Let her waste her money.
She’s just trying to intimidate you. I really doubt she’ll take you to court. Don’t respond to her attempts. Just ignore her.
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Just gather all the proof of her craziness!!!
Have children services investigate them
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Grandparents. Inlaws whatever they are have no rights. Toxic is toxic protect those babies
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If in-laws are good with your kids I don’t see a problem. Just because you and or hubby don’t get on that’s no reason to make the kids miss out on their family. The problem may be you guys
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Look up the laws around grandparents rights where you live and go from there. If you live in the States, chances are the ONLY way she will have any rights is if your husband is dead OR if CPS has already found you and your husband unfit and she is petitioning to be their legal guardian to get them out of the foster care system and hopefully keeping the kids united or reunited under the same roof with family that hopefully they know and somewhat trust to lower trauma.
If that is not the case, then in most states, she ain’t gonna get very far legally.
If you live somewhere WITH grandparents rights however, then you are gonna need some SERIOUS documentation and maybe some witnesses willing to testify on y’alls behalf of her crazy and her being toxic and unsafe.
I would still document as much as you can and even write up a disposition of the events leading up to the decision to cut her out including the final straw and IF you have evidence to support it- including any text messages, emails, social media posts, instant messaging messages, voice-mails, even any past charges or legal documents (some people wait for it to get to the point of needing to call 911 or emergency services before cutting the person off, so worth mentioning, though I hope it did not get THAT far for everyone involved’s sakes) that may or may not already be in place.
Find out what the laws are and if needs be, lawyer up and maybe even get a restraining order.
Good luck.
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She would need to prove she has a relationship with them and her not seeing them is having a server negative effect of them. Their is a very small chance she will be granted as she has no rights
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Sc, they have no rights unless one parent is dead and they are acting on the right of that parent.
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If she’s not mailing the letters and just putting them in your mailbox I believe she can get into some trouble
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If they are putting the letters personally in your mailbox it is against the law she can get in serious trouble and grandparents have no rights let her waste the time and money going to court she isn’t gonna get no where she’s not the parent to the children so the judge will probably throw the whole case out
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Dont refuse visits but for the reasons you say demand a contact centre, they may well back out then but other side at least little ones are momitored
She’s definitely just trying to get a rise out of you. You’re not required to let her see them
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Depends what state you are in. Some states acknowledge grandparent rights, others don’t.
Document everything. I mean everything. Look up your state which i believe you said they have no rights in your state. File a protection order if she continues to harrass you and use that as evidence as well.
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Been there done that! I had to direct the narrative.
You would be shocked how many grand parents have gotten 50/50 for good parents the system is broken if she has money be prepared 
Start gathering documentation in a binder about her issues. Voicemails, texts, videos, etc to prove that she detrimental to have around. Also I’d respond with her one time that since she is threatening legal action you will no longer have personal contact but to contact whomever you’ve chosen to represent you. And make sure the house is all good bc she’s prob going to call CPS. Put up cameras… if she’s aggressive come up with a plan for the kids and talk to them about tricky people!GL!
Also your partner absolutely needs to be onboard and realize that they’re mother has burned all bridges now.
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There is such a legal thing as grandparents rights they are intiteled to so many weekends a year and so many weeks on school holidays just like the father
Grandparents dont get rights in court unless its a children services involvement
State of Michigan Grandparents do NOT have rights. It will be a waste of time if she takes you to court if you live here
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Some states do have grandparents rights you might want to check it out, but if you do end up in court you take every nasty letter, text message voice-mail whatever you have to prove how toxic she is and they won’t grant her anything
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most states dont have granparents rights
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If she really is narcissistic give her visitation on your terms now cos this will get so messy it’s not worth it. She will turn your life upside down.
End of day the kids have a right to know their family just keep it at arms length and keep yourself in control of it out of court.
They do have grandparents rights I THINK
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The law isn’t on her side. Most states don’t have grandparent visitation laws. IF, and that’s a big if, the court grants anything, it will be supervised considering the children haven’t seen the person in over a year. But that’s highly unlikely. Just make sure she has no connections to the court or judges.
You and your husband are doing the right thing by keeping toxic people out of your children’s lives, regardless of blood link. Blood doesn’t guarantee anyone access to anyone else’s children.
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Is there grandparent rights in your state? It’s not a thing in every state. Check there first.
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Whatever you if she does file you have to appear. If you are served with a court date i mean.
I don’t know in some states there are grandparents right.So need to check with the courts.
Check your state you’d be surprised at what you’ll find with many laws and granting of rights with your children as well as elderly parents!!! MANY will be shocked….
Most states it doesn’t matter if the grandparents go to court they’ll most likely tell them “oh well”. The state usually will tell them ," if you can’t see them then they are the ones doing something wrong." Don’t give in to your MILs lies
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Depends on what State u live in
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