My Daughter Doesn't Listen and Constantly Gets in Trouble During Class: Advice?

QUESTION:

"I need help! My daughter is five, and she is in kindergarten. She went to preschool last year, and we had none of these problems.

Every single day she comes home with one or more thumbs down, and it’s for the same four things:

1) She hangs on the coat hooks when she is supposed to be lining up.

2) She wanders around the classroom during work time, disturbing other kids. She was throwing pencils one day.

3) She goes to the bathroom and wanders the halls.

4) She interrupts the teacher every day.

We have talked to her a million times. We have done every punishment that we can think of. Nothing and no one is getting through to her.

I just wondered if anyone has some advice. And no, she is not allowed to do whatever she wants at home and she listens to everyone in our family. We were very surprised to learn that she is so naughty at school because it not like her."

RELATED QUESTION: Do I have a right to be upset with my son’s teacher?

TOP ANSWERS (AS SELECTED BY MODERATOR):

“She is growing up… The teacher may not have control of her class or she is extremely bored…she may need to be challenged more educationally.”

“Maybe instead of punishing her for misbehaving, start rewarding her for days she behaves well in school.”

“Sounds to me like she’s a 5-year-old kid whose teachers need to move to teach high school.”

“My granddaughter had similar difficulties which showed up when starting school. After several professional assessments, she was eventually diagnosed with ADHD. It should not be mistaken for bad behaviour. My advice is do your research and get some professional advice. I’m not saying your daughter has this condition but it would be worth looking into as it is often mistaken for bad behaviour . One of the main symptoms is short attention span and difficulties with concentration. Good luck.”

“Start telling the teacher to time her trips to the restroom. If I noticed that a student had an issue with hanging on the hooks or anything like that, I would move my line over. Her disturbing other students? How??? I’m seeing that the teacher isn’t making sure she is challenged. If she was, she would sit-down and stay engaged.”

“I personally think ADD/ADHD is severely over-diagnosed. Some kids are just bored in school and not following others like robots. I find they are very quick on jumping on a diagnosis if they are not all the same and follow directions.”

“She is a kindergartener… The teachers should be more adaptive. She is just showing age-appropriate behavior. Maybe not the throwing of pencils but if she is being constantly told she is being bad and not doing a good job she is bound to get frustrated and act out.”

“I cut my son off sugar for 2 and 1/2 weeks to see if it helped. It really did. He was much the same way. Couldn’t sit still in class. Maybe consider cutting out all sugar for a while. Things with dye in them seem to be even worse. Natural fruit was okay though.”

“Sounds like ADD/ADHD and oppositional defiance disorder, my son was diagnosed with both and this sounds just like him. Routine, rewards, and medication have helped him so so much.”

“My kindergartener would just get up and come home! We lived very close, small town. She will improve. I also spent time in the classroom with my child. Not sure this is allowed in this COVID environment. I have spent a good amount of time even on my lunch hour to help my son w reading. It did help. Being a Mom has its moments of hops and skips. Don’t punish her. Be kind and understanding. I wish you well.”

“Sticker chart to track good and bad days. Have a prize bin so that she knows what she is working towards. Our school also did a sheet to have our son track his own progress throughout the day. He would give himself a happy face, neutral face, or frowny face for each subject of the day and would discuss with his teacher at the end of the day. They did a point system with the faces he would get so that we could track progress. This year my son is in 1st grade and he has improved soooo much. It really did help.”

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Anyone being mean to her? When my daughter was in Kindergarten, there were 2 boys bullying her and several other classmates.

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Have her tested for ADHD and ODD

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Let her take her time growing up there.
Someone could be bullying her. Do not be mean at home to her.

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She is growing up… The teacher may not have control of her class or she is extremely bored…she may need to be challenged more educationally

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When is her birthday? If she is young consider giving her another year before K.

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It’s a phase she is going through, she is bored and needs more to stimulate her !

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Maybe its not so much her as that they have had to crack down on that stuff, specifically the wondering and not being where she needs to be because od Covid. Whatever it is, good luck and remember shes so young she will probably grow out of it

Shes young. Pull her out and put her back in next school year.

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Start telling the teacher to time her trips to the restroom. If I noticed that a student had an issue with hanging on the hooks or anything like that, I would move my line over. Her disturbing other students? How??? Im seeing that the teacher isn’t making sure she is challenged. If she was, she would sit-down and stay engaged.

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My son was the exact same way, I had him tested and he was diagnosed with ADHD and ODD. I waited to have him tested until 2nd grade though to see if he just needed some time.

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My son is autistic with severe adhd and SPD. He canNOT sit still even with his medication… I just let him do him but as long as he’s participating and doing his work.

Maybe have her tested for adhd… also, I would NEVER EVER call my child “naughty” she’s having a bad time and maybe there’s something going on… :woman_shrugging:t2:

Have you spent a day in Her class or hanging out nearby? If not try that first to trouble shoot. If its truly her then have her tested or get her sensory items. If its the teacher or other kiddos then have a conversation with the school on how to resolve. But you as the parent need to find out what the problem is first

Sounds like she’s bored. Have they thought of trying more challenging activities to do with her to keep her mind interested ?

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She’s bored.
Find testing for advancement.
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She is a kindergartener… The teachers should be more adaptive. She is just showing age appropriate behavior. Maybe not the throwing of pencils but if she is being constantly told she is being bad and not doing a good job she is bound to get frustrated and act out.

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Is she going her work and getting done before everyone? If so she may be bored. You can also ask her ped for advice, it may be a phase by testing her boundaries or adhd also.

Maybe instead of punishing her for misbehaving, start rewarding her for days she behaves well in school.

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My kindergartener would just get up and come home! We lived very close, small town. She will improve. I also spent time in the class room w my child. Not sure this is allowed in this COVID environment. I have spent a good amount of time even on my lunch hour to help my son w reading. It did help. Being a Mom has its moments of hops and skips. Don’t punish her. Be kind and understanding. I wish you well

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I cut my son off sugar for 2 and 1/2 weeks to see if it helped. It really did. He was much the same way. Couldn’t sit still in class. Maybe consider cutting out all sugar for a while. Things with dye in them seem to be even worse. Natural fruit was okay though.

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ADD? Attention seeking?

She may be bored. I behaved like that at one point in school and I was just bored I knew the stuff the were teaching. I also know sometimes this behavior can be from being picked on so she’s trying to “be funny” or avoid the class

You might get her evualated for a disability. Also get her eyes checked. If there are underlining issues causing her to act this way. No I am suggesting adhd, austim or medication.

Sticker chart to track good and bad days. Have a prize bin so that she knows what she is working towards. Our school also did a sheet to have our son track his own progress throughout the day. He would give himself a happy face, neutral face, or frowny face for each subject of the day and would discuss with his teacher at the end of the day. They did a point system with the faces he would get so that we could track progress. This year my son is in 1st grade and he has improved soooo much. It really did help.

Is she autistic or adhd, add/disability etc cus Kids that don’t have any don’t usually do that…

Sounds like a normal five year old to me other than throwing pencils that sounds more like attention seeking the rest though sounds like she is bored and the teacher needs to adapt to her needs. It’s kindergarten sounds like your child is very bright and might not be getting the challenged environment she needs to even want to sit still and participate

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My kids did this and my youngest was worse (throwing chairs, knocking his desk over, cutting his shoe laces off, even pulled himself out and peed on the floor of a classroom) he almost got expelled from 1st grade until I took him to the dr. He’s adhd. Doesnt do any of it on his meds. My oldest was more like your daughter (would fall out of his chair, outbursts, not doing his work cuz he was bored) same thing… adhd. Take her in if it doesn’t get better. It was like night and day for my kids. And they don’t have to take any meds on the weekends. They are on extended release so they take it, its in their system an hour later for eight hours, then its like it was never there. Just enough for school.

Omg. She’s a kid. Tell the teacher to take the stick out of their bum :woman_shrugging:t3::woman_shrugging:t3: I’m shocked my 4 year old sits long enough to even watch a movie at school.

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Sounds exactly like my 5 year old ( Kindergarden) she is ADHD, she is working through it, but its seems to be getting worse as time goes on, we aren’t doing medicine at this time. Maybe getting her checked, just to come up with a plan to start helping her. Plus she is only a 5 year old.

Sounds like add/HD and oppositional defiance disorder, my son was diagnosed with both and this sounds just like him. Routine, rewards and medication have helped him so so much.

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It may be ADD but she also may just be bored. Maybe her work is not challenging enough.

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Oh she is only five …I thought the while point of school was to teach to them so they learn ?

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My granddaughter had similar difficulties which showed up when starting school. After several professional assessments, she was eventually diagnosed with ADHD. It should not be mistaken for bad behaviour. My advice is do your research and get some professional advice. I’m not saying your daughter has this condition but it would be worth looking into as it is often mistaken for bad behaviour . One of the main symptoms is short attention span and difficulties with concentration. Good luck

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My kid does all these things (8 now) and has been doing them since Pre-K. He has ADHD & ODD. Look into some of those types of things.

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I would get her checked for adhd or any disability, it’s better for her and you rather than just keep on punishing her :slight_smile:

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I would talk to her pediatrician

Have you tried fish oil

Can you go to class with her?

She’s not naughty. It sounds like she may have adhd

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I personally think add/adhd is severely over diagnosed. Some kids are just bored in school and not following others like robots . I find they are very quick on jumping on a diagnosis if they are not all the same and follow directions.

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Serious question:
Has she ever been evaluated for LDs (learning disabilities)? I was like this in school and ended up being evaluated at 30 years old to find out I have ADHD and Dyscalculia after struggling in school and acting out.

Have you tried sensory tools? Some kids just need more sensory to help them focus. They have weighted lap blankets wobbly stools wiggle cushions silicone chewy’s. Ask the school or teacher if they have any or have tried these tools they may help

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If my children did this I did not get upset it’s normal they are 5 and learning new stuff and new people as time go on it will get better I would not get mine teated just on this to many people trying to get testing far to many things now days and really there is nothing wrong with the child but good luck

Sounds to me like she’s a 5 year old kid, who’s teachers need to move to teaching high school.

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Definitely look into ADHD and boredom. My daughter did similar things at that age, and was finally diagnosed in high school.

Is this your daughter at all? If so you may want to talk to her doctor or go to a behavioral health office where she can be evulated by a psychiatrist/behavioral health specialist. They not only will help her but you as well. My daughter’s psychiatrist helps me with parenting skills and how to cope on the hard days. Hang in there!

Try the gifted program, maybe she’s bored and doesn’t have adhd or add!!

my son was like this teacher were always moaning that he was naughty turns out he was not naughty just bored of the work he could easily do it so now he gets work for year 6 he is year 3 im in the uk and his behaviour is more settled as he is not bored by easy work

Why we have to put labels on everything?
She’s 5 maybe she’s struggling with the work with little help off the teacher, maybe she’s geting bored as to easy for her or maybe it’s the teacher who needs to catch up on training days of how to teach 5 years old.

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This sounds like my son, but he doesnt listen at home either- convinced he has adhd or some other learning disability (adhd, autism and dyslexia all run in the family). Telling him off doesnt work, nothing gets through to him at all. We have been trying a reward chart, they get points for being good and helpful and get to spend points on treats, like sweets from the shop, time on technology, staying up late for film nights etc. Saving up points for longer means he can buy a new toy with them or maybe a day out, that’s like a month worth of points with perfect behaviour - we also give 30 minutes free technology time a day too, which gets taken away with naughty behaviour. it has helped a little bit, he no longer hits and kicks me when I tell him off, and he trys very hard to be good. Maybe it’s worth a try

Kindergarten can be a big transition in terms of work load and expectations. Maybe she’s just feeling a little overwhelmed. Maybe they’re learning something new that she doesn’t quite grasp…which can lead to avoidance and/or attention seeking behaviors. If the teacher is not hearing your concerns, you may need to go to someone in administration. If nothing through the school seems to help, you may want to address the issues with her pediatrician.

Sometimes the teacher and the student just don’t mesh. Not all teachers and students understand eachother. Maybe a different teacher? I also don’t want to jump to conclusions and I’m by no means a doctor, but my niece was doing just about the exact same things, turned out she has ADHD. Good luck! Kindergarten can be tricky yet so fun!

Does the teacher give clear enough directions or expectations? I know for myself sometimes I need some things clarified because I am a visual learner. I just sometimes can’t grasp fully what is being said, I need to be shown an example too.

Seat down with her in your bed only you and her door close, and try to talk to her like her friend, and tell her that no matter what you are with her and that you need to know what’s going on in her class, why she is doing this, what makes her feel uncomfortable or what is wrong? Make her feel that she can count on you for everything, good luck and many Blessings :pray:.

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I have a daughter in kindergarten as well the teacher told me that she tends to not pay attention at times and likes and turn around and talk to the boy that’s behind her . Sounds like your child’s teacher is gonna nic pic everything she does in reality she is probably just bored and the teacher needs to make it fun to learn and stop being so negative. Good luck

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Why do they expect a child her age to be perfect? Kids her age should be expected to just as she is and if the teacher cant handle it then find another job

Maybe a different teacher will fix things ask your daughter how the teacher treats her compared to the other kids

Try to see if they can swap her teachers/classrooms and see if she does better in a different class

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To a surprise visit it may be the environment or the kids or teacher it may not even be your child issues

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Time to visit and stay a day in class and see how she acts

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It could also just be the new changes.

Have her tested for adhd

She sounds bored. I feel your pain. Both of my boys struggled with boredom in the classroom but they usually got into trouble for correcting the teacher in front of the class. Looking back and knowing they are great young men. It is hilarious!!! Hang in there, you too will laugh one day!

We did rewards for good behavior instead of punishment for bad behavior with my son. It helped some. And reminders every morning before school about what was expected. He knew he’d get a small reward for being good. It was just small stuff like an extra 15 minutes on his game or a small treat from the treasure chest I filled with little stuff like candy or pencils from the dollar tree. Or he could save his good days up and after so many he could get a small toy. I tried punishment to begin But the positive reinforcement did a lot more than punishment.

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As a former teacher, lower elementary, I kept “busy” children near me so I could reach over and touch them to be their attention. Would check with them to check for comprehension or boredom. Kept materials for them to keep them engaged. Placed my desk at the back and them nearby. That way I could quickly redirect and prevent them from bothering others. Other children I could simply ask what would help you stay out of trouble, because it’s not fun for you or me. Didn’t always work but sometimes it did. Hope your teacher has tried at least some of these. I didn’t like zombie children and did all I could to encourage as little meds as possible when truly needed. Just my personal bias.

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Sounds like she probably needs some more sensory breaks built into her day. A lot of kids need that as they learn to sit still. They can be as simple as allow her to go to a place that’s not going to disturb other and do jumping jacks, or wall pushups. Maybe she needs a fidget toy to hold onto or a weighted item in her lap.

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Have her evaluated by a professional. When I was a young child like your daughter I had some quirky behaviors ( like your daughter I was a wanderer- I constantly went to bathroom to get out of class and walk around the school) which got me in to some trouble. I was able to get them under control when I got a bit older. In my 20s I was diagnosed with anxiety disorder and depression, years later the diagnosis changed to bipolar disorder. Since that diagnosis and appropriate medication I feel the best mentally that I have felt in my entire life. I have come to realize that symptoms I had at 5 years old were earliest manifestations of this condition. Your daughter may have ADD, ADHD, or an anxiety disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder or depression. Whatever is going on get her help before it gets worse. Another thing to consider is has something happened or is there the possibility something(I am talking about sexual abuse) may have happened to her between preschool and kindergarten. Sadly a lot of behavioral issues in children develop for that reason. Despite having a lifelong “mental illness” I have 2 bachelor degrees and have been a nurse for 35 years. Getting to the bottom of what is going on with your daughter now is the best thing you can do for her to have a good life.

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Also another thing to consider besides adhd is whether she is advanced for her age. When I was in the lower grades I was bored senseless with what we were doing. In 3rd grade my teacher had me tested for gifted and was placed in the gifted class one day per week. In my regular class the rest of the time my teacher had me work on my own pace with a special curriculum that was slightly advanced. If they had done that in kindergarten or first grade I might not have gotten into trouble so much because I would’ve had a curriculum that was more challenging for me.

If this is completely different behavior from home and preschool I would be asking the principal or counselor to observe the class. As a retired middle school there is a reason your child is misbehaving. First I would need to see if this is a teacher issue not a behavioral issue. Children exhibit ADD or misbehavior symptoms shortly after birth. Eating issues/ sleep disruption/ inattention/ etc. would have been evident long before kindergarten. Again, if this is a totally new behavior start with the teacher. If it is not a teaching issue then see if there was a traumatic event ( someone just passed away, abuse, etc) that your child recently experienced that she does not know exactly how to deal with it that is showing up by misbehavior at school. Children do not just do a 180 and disrupt a classroom for no reason. Did she do any of these behaviors in preschool??? Best of luck… keep searching until you discover the root cause of the issue. My gut feeling it is a teaching issue and she needs a room switch.

Maybe she is Bored, how about praising the good behavior. She is probably so used to hearing what she is doing wrong, it’s a way for her to get attention. Some times my daughter needs physical direction ex… if she were to hang in the hooks and will not listen. Take her hands walk her to the line and thank her for joining the line. Ok work time same thing, walk her to her desk sit with her and let her know what a good job she is doing sitting in her desk. My daughter has Asperger’s, so I don’t know exactly how you feel but I do understand. I always wished kids came with their own instruction manual. Good luck and remember kids who don’t fit in the “box” become leaders.

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Something your school may try that was used at an elementary school I worked in was a consequence called “room 52,” but it could be called something different. When the child is acting out the teacher sends her to room 52 for a designated amount of time (30 min or half day). However, it would just be another kinder teachers room, therefore the child is not missing work. By doing so they may discover any triggers going on in her classroom that are causing her to act out. Then the triggers can be addressed. There are pros and cons to this method but might be worth a shot.

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Some kids need another year to mature before they start school. Nothing negative about that if pediatrician thinks ADHD is not the issue.

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She may have auditory perception disorder. She does not process things said to a group setting, does okay one on one if you get her attention first.

She may be bored in class, like others have said. I’d reinforce good behavior, and talk to the teacher about providing extra activities for her to do, maybe give her a classroom job, as in helping the teacher pass out materials etc. Focusing on the wrong behavior is giving her attention for those things and may be encouraging those behaviors. Sounds crazy, but any attention is good, so try not to focus on it! Also, if she’s a young kindergartner, she may have just not matured enough, and needs time to catch up to her older peers. The teacher should also be trying to reinforce the positive behaviors, as well. I’m a teacher, and we called it, “Caught being good”. If this continues, testing for ADHD, may be necessary. I’m speaking as a person with ADHD, and I acted similarly in school! :woman_facepalming: There’s nothing wrong with trying to get her help, if that is the case. If she were diabetic (I’m diabetic, too),there would be no hesitation to get her help, so this should be no different. She can be taught ways to overcome her symptoms. But, the earlier it’s addressed, the better for her! And I’m not comparing diabetes to ADHD, just saying there shouldn’t be a stigma attached to helping a child diagnosed with ADHD, just as there shouldn’t be a stigma getting help for a child diagnosed with diabetes. If your child needs medication to improve their quality of life, and ADHD does affect quality of life, you shouldn’t feel guilty about doing that.

My thoughts are she is not mature enough or developmentally ready for kindergarten. The brain is designed to learn through play until age 8. It certainly doesn’t mean she has ADHD or any other such thing. It means her brain is doing what it’s designed to do. Look for a play based kinder (my sister lives near a montessori charter school, so maybe something like that if you can’t afford private school) or red shirt her. Nothing bad will happen if you give her an extra year to play at home.

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May be the kid is bored.Ask the teacher if she could prepare something a little more advanced than what the rest of the class is working on.

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Also ask for an IEP evaluation. She might benefit from being in a smaller class with someone able to redirect her

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Chances are, she’s already learned what the teacher is teaching. Perhaps she needs something more challenging.

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May just not be clicking with this teacher. Perhaps she could be in another class for a few days to just see if her behavior improves. Also some kids just arent ready for kinder and need to wait an extra year. Prek is such a short day…and kinder is full day. May just not be ready.

My son did the same things. He had ADHD. He was on meds until 10th grade. He was able to learn control.

Go stand in the back of the room. Maybe won’t sct up in front of you. If so then she needs to sit in a time out chair. Why hasn’t teacher stopped her. Attention getter it seems. Not shy at all. It’s either one or the other!! Good luck. Rewards at home for a good day. Something special to her. Trip to McD or dollar store prize she can pick out. Bad report. No play or outside. :two_hearts::pray:

Set up a reward system for getting thumbs up. Wrap up some dollar store trinkets or hair stuff, favorite snacks and everyday she has a good day… she can pick one to open.
At first it doesn’t have to be a perfect day, she is 5… but it will keep her mindful of her actions trying for a reward.

Insist she have another teacher. Sounds to me like this teacher is nitpicking her to death…and your kid is not going to let it happen. Good for your kid.

She’s 5 give her a break. Also the teaches thumbs down system does not reenforce positive behavior and is outdated.

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Sounds like she’s bored, maybe needs more stimulation and challenges, have the teacher give her some leadership responsibilities like counting the kids in line, handing out supplies, assisting in anyway she’s able.

My son experienced a change like that. Turned out that he wasn’t sleeping well. You might want to take her to the doctor and check to see if she has anything going on that might hinder her rest. My son had his tonsils removed and went back to his normal self again.

She maybe really bored and there might be something else going on is there a way for you to observe her classroom and recess time. It might help both you and the teacher.

My son is dyslexic. We didn’t have a final confirmation of his diagnosis until later. He did the same thing in Kindergarten. He wasn’t understanding what was going on so he became the social butterfly bothering everyone else. Once we figured out what was wrong, his behaviors decreased dramatically.

Talk to her tell her that you will take away all the things she enjoys doing when she comes home from school with a bad report tell her she needs to earn them back no play time no tv no top just a thought I do that with my grandson

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My son had similar “problems”. Turns out that although he would drive each teacher crazy, but then for some reason, occasionally he and a new teacher would absolutely “click” and they would have a terrific year.
What I belatedly figured out was that he was waaaay more intelligent than most people. Because he had razor sharp wit without the maturity to manage others, he would come across as “disrespectful” and unwilling to follow rules he considered stupid.
In kindergarten the teacher refused to hang any of his artwork because she had instructed the class to paint a picture with “a tree, a house, and the sun”.
Eventually, my boy did produce a work that included a tree, a house, and the sun… with a HUGE Spider crawling across the sun.

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Was she used to being able to act this way during kindergarten? Is she the oldest in your family or does she have older siblings? She may be trying to exert her independence, but feels that if her parents are not around she can do so without consequence. Punishment is difficult at this age, she may not be able to relate the consequence to the action. A visit to her doctor or a specialist in behavior issues may be needed.

My son is now in 7th grade but when he was in kindergarten he did all the things you mentioned. His poor behaviors were only at school as well. The school was able to deal with him until the middle of first grade . We struggled for years . The last 3 years were pretty good with medication ( a lot of trial and error ) but unfortunately these poor behaviors are popping up again . Good luck to you ! It could be nothing but you’ll know soon enough if she needs more support

Has no one ever heard of class clown.She is not ADHD if she is not doing this at home.She is wanting attention from her classmates and she is getting it.I had a class clown.Try rewards.She goes all day no marks she gets a reward.Doesnt have to be big.All week gets bigger rewards.

Ask if the school as a counselor or social worker. They can work with her one on one with listening skills.

Sounds like she’s bored and wants to explore … she is only 5 teacher should do a walk and talk through the school I small groups x

Have a conference with the teacher. Request that the school counselor or other professional shadow your daughter to see if there are any triggers. You being in the classroom will alter her classroom behaviors.

Maybe she needs to be in second grade. It sounds like she is bored. This from an old granny.

She a child and she probably gets bored Maybe she needs more one on one and more attention then she’s getting.

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My boys did this and it was not until 4
Grade they were finally tested for adhd I know I will prob catch a lot of hell over this comment but it made a dramatic difference in them. They had all those behaviors and more good luck momma it’s not an easy road

I am a preschool teacher and a mom of 3 age ranges from 14 months to 11 years… lemme tell you, preschool is a lot more lenient than kindergarten. In our preschool we cant even give a time out for punishment. When the kid does something wrong, all we do is tell them no thank you and write a note home. Kindergarten is a lot more strict. They have to actually sit in seats and have lesson time. Our lesson time in preschool is in very small groups or one on one. The other kids get to play while the others are in their groups. Talk to her. She may not be use to the structure of kindergarten. You need to explain to her that when she is there, listening to the teacher is just like listening to her parents. It may be rough for awhile, but stick to your guns with punishments. Have the teacher send home extra work to get her focused. Or, even find out what they are learning and print out some of your own worksheets. This can help her understand that she will need to sit and listen.