This sounds like an episode of Evil Lives Here.
This is a VERY serious matter and super disturbing. Your daughter needs professional help ASAP! Who knows what could happen next.
Seems like she may need more intense treatment. Maybe have her go to a psych ward as a resident. That way she can be observed and better medicated til they can get it under control. Trying to kill a dog because she didnāt get her way is a bad sign. If there are other kids in the home she could eventually turn to try to hurt them or you.
Did the dog die? If so thatās a sign of serial killer
My sister was the same. The state took her and put her in a theroputic respite home. The best way I think to avoid this is to admit her for a 72 he watch
i would get her checked out mama !! that doesnāt sound safe at all
Thatās the first part of the homicidal triad. Big indication of a sociopath. Please seek help! Good luck mama.
I have a child the same way. He is 16 and currently locked up which has been the best thing for everyone in my home. I absolutely love my son to pieces but ever since he was about three I knew something was not right we had to wait till he was five and got him tested they said he was ADD/ADHD Combined, then they added oppositional defiance disorder. Then a few years ago they told me that he was bi polar but would not give him a diagnosis of it till he was grown. He anger is absolutely unbelievable, when my twins was two he beat one of them so bad that he had to go to the er for stitches, well they came and tried to arrest me cause he ran away called the law and said I beat him. When they came to arrest me he just laughed and told them he was only playing and he just wanted to see me get in trouble. He has always been very cruel to animals, very violent at school he ended up going to a Alternative school because he busted a boy over the back of the head with a log. I mean it just goes on and on, then about six months ago he beat up three grown adults, law came and arrested him they places him on probation and continued to get into trouble so they charged him with three counts domestic assault and locked him up. He is supposed to get out March 15 if he can behave, that date was already extended by three weeks due to a fight he got in. Anyways thatās just a jist of things. My son can go from calm cool and collected to a monster in seconds and his strength and anger comes from no where. The problem unfortunately with mental health is they like to play with medicine too much but hopefully is you find the right one it may or may not work. I wish you the best
I have a mentally special needs child ad well as one that is autistic. Similar situation with my oldest child. I reached out to his counselor myself and talked to her, i told her i was scared myself and for him to be in my home. They had me bring him into the office and the counselor, therapist, doctor, me, and him were all together. They talked with him and made the decision for him to go thru intake at a childrens/adolescent mental hospital for an evaluation. They kept him for 3 weeks. He was back there again 3 mo later for a 2nd timeā¦
MY POINT IS THAT AS MOTHERS WE HESITATE TO DO THINGS BECAUSE WERE NOT SURE WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BEā¦this was THE BEST THING i have ever done for my son!!!
Just some advice frfr!!!
GET YOUR BABY SOME HELP!! Nothing wrong with it. You as mom have the obligation to make choices and so whats best! I PROMISE YOU WILL NOT REGRET! My son is 13 now and hes on med regiment that keeps him maintaining!!!
They will do various mental testing and make a safety plan etc, connect with resources and make an official diagnosis for your child!
Its the absolute BEST thing i done for my son
Killing animals is the first sign of becoming a serial killer. She needs help massively i would honestly contact your nearest Psychiatric hospital and have her admitted for evaluation. I know she is your daughter and you love her but you also need to protect yourself. Animals is just a stepping stone
Remove all pets from ur home. They need rehomed.
Plz give the dog away! Donāt let her around children younger than her! And plz plz get cameras all over your house!! Sheās going to try her hardest to push everyone away from you by all means!! Honestly I feel bad for your partner because itās no telling what sheāll do next to him and everyone always takes the kids side! Because they think why would a kid lie!! I think itās time for her to get better mental health care, she needs to be in a facility that can watch her 24/7 and give her the correct treatment, these doctors have one appointment with your children and a diagnose them incorrectly and give them the incorrect medicine also, Iāll because of that one visit, take her somewhere where they can study her for longer than 45 minutes and give her the correct treatment and medication
She doesnāt just have a dark cloud looming over her. That is a sociopath right thereā¦ā¦
Better have some one beside a friend to sit down and talk with her.has she been molested by someone and is afraid to tellā¦???donāt blame a dark cloud find what causes itā¦are u sure the therapist is good maybe a good Dr to talk toā¦something is causing her pain and your not seeing thisā¦
Save the tears and the what ifās. Please seek care for her immediately in a facility for if you donāt, you will have alot more heartache.
Itās probably not that she tried to kill him but rather, she may have thought that by giving him extra medicine yāall wouldnāt have to leave whatever yāall were doing.
Get her an excorcism
This would be grounds to have a visit to a psychiatric ward. She needs serious help in an inpatient setting before this gets worse and she canāt get out of it.
Teens hormones are going all over the place. They do stuff that even they canāt figure out why they did whatever. Its more
common place than you think. I am 62 yrs old and have been hearing about this for 47 yrs. Depression goes right along with it. She needs to see a child psychologist. Pill therapy might be what she needs for short-term help, until her bouncing hormones stabilize.
TW: Feel like thereās a deeper reason, the kid isnāt just acting out. I have a friend where her daughter was 12 and she started acting strange. Carrying knives, sleeping with knives and also being mean to male family members. But was usually good not around male members. Turns out a male family member molested her daughter and its gonna take more than just therapy for that little girl. It happened at an age she didnāt know the words to describe what had happened to her. When she was older she did. Dig deeper is all Iām saying.
Church!* I bet most of the troubled kids in here have no idea who Jesus Christ isā¦
My heart breaks for you
Youāre rasing a narcissistic psychopathā¦ That is well beyond normal behavior. She knows what sheās doing and why. She needs to be commited somewhere for her own good and everyone around her.
First of all hugs to you. So hardā¦but frā¦she needs more help. Seek a phyc doctor. Very very soon as this is NOT normal behavior!
When did her and you husband stop āgetting alongā thatās what Iām curious about. I hate to be the one to say maybe something happened between them you donāt know about.
So what was her inpatient diagnoses? I mean, might be helpful since she has one.
This should be a psych hold.
She needs inpatient committed care. A camp, hospital, facility. Everyone in that house needs some sort of intervention.
Did you ever see signs as a toddler or small child she had no empathy?
Sounds to me she has suffered a trauma herself? I would really be taking too her and getting her help asap. There is a reason she isnāt close to your partner anymore. I would defiantly find out whyā¦ are you sure she new what she was doing? Idk I guess at 13 she would know it would hurt the dog. There are so many layers to be pealed back on this one. Good luck momma!
Sounds like bipolar disorder I would have it checked out. Some of those are signs
For the time being I would probably find another home for any animals she may retaliate against in the future. No animal deserves that, especially a special needs one. I would also try another therapy or therapist because if it isnāt helping you are wasting your money. That sounds like sociopath behaviour. Iām am in no way judging at all, just my thoughts. She needs more help than what she is getting.
And you brought her to get a physic evaluation immediately after right???
I would put cameras up throughout the house to see whatās going on when you canāt be right there watching.
Thatās way more then just acting outā¦ I acting out, ran away, self harmed, underage drinking ect you name it. But I would never intentionally try to murder a pet!!! Sheās either really messed up in the head or she has something super serious your unaware of thatās going on.
Anger isnāt a primary emotionā¦shes hurting sad and scared. I donāt think she fully understood what could happen for the dog. Just because shes 13 doesnāt mean she knows how to regulate emotions. Shes acting out for help her only voice is acting out. Dig deeper and let her know your there find out whats really bothering her and give her lots of love.
That girl needs serious help. Keep her away from all pets and their medication. I would admit her to some type of facility for a long time so she can get the help she needs.
Did this more serious behavior start after you noticed your husband and daughter not being so close? Is it possible she is acting out because he did something to her? Either way you need to get down to the root of the problem and it might mean she has to be committed some where for a while to get the full help she needs. Donāt give up on her. Praying over your family.
So I only have a b.s. in pych but at age 13 she is definitely old enough to know what she is doing. Has she always acted out in these ways or is this new? Kids that hurt animals are a big red flag. If this behavior is new then you want to find out what sheās faced to act out so extreme.
LOVE HER, NEVER GIVE UP ON HER, LET HER KNOW THAT YOU WILL GO THROUGH IT AS A FAMILY AND GET HER AND YOUR LOVED ONES SPECIALIZED HELP AND SAFETY!!!
This is a terrifying situation, no doubt! Your lives are going to change but if you want to provide any type of a life for any of your family, everyone needs to get on board. Never give up and find ways to hug love and laugh and to try to find their other skills WHILE STAYING FOCUSED ON THERAPIES AND THE FACT THAT SHE MIGHT NOT BE NORMALā¦ but maybe she is and things will come to light over time and effort! Good luck and stay safe Iāll be keeping you all in my thoughts forever!!!
this is something you should be telling her psychiatrist not us, Your daughter sounds like a psychopath & you just might not wake up one morning or you husband because of something you did or said to her. She needs to be committed. I am so sorry you are going thru this
I donāt want to be the one to say it but children that hurt and try to kill animals have the ability to grow up and do the same thing to people
Something happened try and get her to talk to you
Sheās needs a psych evaluation
You need to have her admitted to be evaluatedā¦She evidently has issues bottled up thats causing these emotionsā¦I have 3 kids all grown now and my oldest had alot of issues growing up.he is now 33ā¦he was put in 7 places to get him straightā¦he even 2wks of turning 9yrs old decided to run away bc he couldnāt spend the night with grandparents.in the process of running away he was kidnapped by 3 strangers.yes found hours later by cops no didnāt know the guys and til this day they were never found and in the hours we were waiting to find him so much had been done to him we couldnt stop.my son was then put in his 7th places for help and they finally run test and found out he was Bipolar, adhd, add, and had a sleeping disorderā¦my son from a small child had lots of allergies to foods and other things and dyes in foods and medicines are the worst allergies to have especially red dye.we were told for years this was the problem but I knew as a mother it wasnātā¦bc he would destroy stuff bite hit throw things he destroyed stuff in school home basically anywhere hurt animals other kids me teachers and so onā¦it was a struggle with him always had to be prepared of what could be nextā¦he spent his life in therapy, but it has been worth itā¦please try and talk with your child bc anything could trigger behavior for kidsā¦itās not easy as a mother to watch the things your child does thats hurtful to them or anyoneā¦my prayers are with yalā¦please donāt give in and seek help
First thing is to make her apoligize
Best thing I did for my daughter was agreeing to put her in inpatient. She has been there twice already. It didnāt fix everything because we are still struggling but it does help. Sometimes people have to go back a few times. Thereās also residential which is inpatient but for a longer stay so they can get the child stabilized better. As a parent the last thing you ever want to do is leave your child somewhere with strangers but sometimes itās the only choice we have. The therapist should be able to recommend inpatient and/or residential for her or bring her to the nearest ER or hospital with a psych ward in it and tell them what happened. They will evaluate and most likely put her in.
Sending tons of hugs and love your way. The mental stress that we feel with children with mental illnesses is something indescribable. Every day my anxiety is going crazy and I feel sick to my stomach. Just know your doing a great job and just get her all the help you can.
My daughter has a psychiatrist, is in group therapy twice a week and has a case manager there, has a case manager with partnership for children and a in home therapist. Her school also has a drop in center where she has a counselor there she speaks with and spends most of the day and has a 504 form. Iām trying to get her in a partial inpatient program because she barely goes to school due to her depression and anxiety. Just trying to give you some ideas. Itās a lot and she doesnāt like it but itās what she needs.
If you ever need anything my messages are open.
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āWith her trying to UNALIVE our special-needs dogā
No honey,ā¦ she tried to kill the dog. smh stop trying to sugarcoat it. This is very very very serious. She is going to be an adult in 5yrs, thatās not that long. There is a program most sheriff stations have called scared straight, you as the mom go and spend the day with other parents and she goes and spends the day with inmates, she needs to see this because if sheās already trying to kill an animal, you really need to show her where her behavior is going, and thatās going to be in jail. Itās not fair to her if you donāt show her the other side, you show her a loving home but she needs to see the inmates in the jail stuff and hopefully she wonāt choose that route. I know it sounds super harsh but like I said she has five years before she becomes an adult and to be quite honest if she does anything between now in five years depending on the crane she could still be charged as an adult. I will pray every day for her, good luck
So she tried to kill the dog and she has no remorse and didnāt apologize? Pretty much every criminal who ever killed someone started out torturing and killing animals. You need to have a frank conversation with her doctor and have her committed for evaluation and treatment. And get any animals out of the house. It is not a safe environment for them.
She will try to kill one of you soon. She needs to be institutionalized. Sheās a danger to society already.
I am so sorry you are going through this. I can imagine that your heart is broken as a parent and you are worried for her future. Itās so hard seeing our precious innocent babies struggle in ways that we cannot fix. Have you considered some inpatient treatment for her? A short stay with an intensive psych evaluation and medication adjustment could be life changing for her. Judging by your post you have reached out for help and care deeply about her outcome. Hoping you find some relief for her and your family.
She needs a psych evaluation, this is not normal acting out.
If this was my child I would be absolutely broken about it, BUT Id have her evaluated and committed to get the help she needs. I know you have heard what the killing of small animals progresses to
Serial killer in the makingā¦ get her help NOWā¦ scared straight usually worksā¦ military school is an option too
Young one - you need to get her to counseling- to figure out why she is demonstrating such behavior. Left unchecked it can/ will get worse. Seriously sounds like a possible frustration in her. How is she doing in school? Is she involved other activities (sports, clubs, etc) ? How is her behavior then? There has to be a reason why she is demonstrating this behavior.
If one dr donāt work try another one she can trust and I wouldnāt take anyothers advice but dr or it will only upset and confuse u .
Do little things to her that you know she wonāt likeā¦ then when sheās upset explain thatās why you apologize. Intentional or not you should apologize for hurting othersā¦ the physically hurting something defenseless is a whole other level of mental illness though. She needs ongoing professional help.
Prayers its a hard road
If therapy isnāt working u need to switch her a lot of people think that thereapy is a one and done thing itās not u gotta find that therapist she can bond with and open to so switch and as bad as it may seem she may need to be put on meds n monitored
She is definitely old enough to comprehend what she is doing. When kids hurt animals, that is a massive red flag, and it usually means they will do this to other people when theyāre older. She needs to be committed for evaluation and treatment asap before she hurts another animal or human. I can only imagine the pain youāre going through watching your child do this. But she needs extensive help now.
I know sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies pop up right now. But make sure you clear all avenues first make sure she wasnāt sexually assaulted at all in any way please. Then you need to call and ask for a psych eval and you need to tell the doctor on the phone exactly why you need a psych eval immediately. The horrible thing is is you need to start putting baby monitors up you need a baby monitor in the kitchen. Your food knives things like that anything that she could use to hurt herself or others are mainly in the kitchen. Another thing you can do is install a lock to the top of your door secretly and she may not notice it just in case for emergencies if sheās having a freak out a major meltdown or if she ends up trying to hurt siblings you can take siblings into that room. Iām so sorry my heart hurts for you so much. You can actually call the psych ward and tell them that sheās having homicidal tendencies and they will take her immediately to make sure nothing bad happens to herself or others. I was so depressed after being so abused and sexually assaulted that I wanted to hurt people. I never wanted to hurt animals but I did flat out feel like actually causing a lot of people physical harm and I just needed a breather medication for a month or two and a different routine. I had also moved away from said person though. You got this sheās got this I know youāre scared but stay United.
If she was my daughter, Iād try an inpatient program .
Iāve studied some in this field even watch criminal studies/ docs ā¦ sorry to tell you which is very clear on what is happening and stop denying it but she tried to take your dogs LIFE in cold murder she knew what that would do to himā¦. She needs help more then that therapist can give at moment she needs to be evaluated asap cause with serial k*llers always starts out with animals then leads to humans. I would book her in extended stay so they can determine what is wrong with her. I wouldnāt even leave unattended at all. Stop being in disbelief and realize whatās happening in front of you . Your partner is right as mom itās blinding you
Take her to a priest. Get her prayed over and blessed.
Bless your home and everyone and everything thatās in it. That will be my go to first.
Fill her with Gods love ,singing,worshipping ,learning to pray,reading scriptures everyday.
Give her a choice to choose light and love praying for your family xx
Dahmer started out killing animals, itās not funny and very sickā¦inpatient her. WTF why are you not stepping up as a parent who is seeing horrific signs! You are 1000% responsible if she does something else.
No apology is narcissist behaviorā¦ she may truly not see how her behavior is hurtful. You have to show herā¦ with real life situations. Hide all of her shoes and when she gets upset tell her you threw them awayā¦ when sheās angry, sit her down and explain that you didnāt actually throw them away and explain how what sheās feeling is being experienced by people sheās hurting.
Iām sorry but, trying to kill an animal is normally the first sign that something is seriously wrong. Thatās how most serial killers start. I would be asking the therapist to refer her to someone who knows a lot about lacking empathy and serial killers.
Psychiatrists will not diagnose children with anti social personality disorder(sociopathy). However, they will diagnose them with conduct disorder, which can very like turn into ASPD as an adult. Conduct disorder stems from childhood trauma or abuse. She needs to be fully assessed by a psychiatrist and be seen by a medical dr for an examination as well. Iām not saying itās abuse from the spouse or in the home, but something traumatic happened or is happening.
5 years and she is adult. She clearly needs helpā¦ stop sugar coating it regardless of her being your child, you would rather act now and have her resent you a tiny bit then have her actually kill an animal or worse another personā¦ no remorse is not a good sign
This is awful. Iām so sorry youāre having to deal with this but Iām glad yāall were able to save your pupperā¦
Need to get some serious counseling and therapy going on ASAP. Thatās a bad, bad sign for a child her age to do such a thing, for such a reason. Never leave her alone with the dog or small children again, and Iād make sure the insulin/meds are secured somewhere she canāt get them too. Which makes caring for the dog even more of a painā¦. Good luck
āUnaliveā? I believe the word you are looking for is murder.
If she is on meds some underlying genetic issues such as MTHFR gene mutation can impact medicine absorption and contribute to mental health problems by causing mineral deficienciesā¦ Therapy of course but look at the whole system ā¦
Shit my oldest daughter held her sister under bath water stating I never wanted a sister I about had a heart attack and she hates animals I just been rolling with it
Poor dog. Put that child in a inpatient program.
You do know harming animals is a psychopath trait get an evaluation done such therapist
For someone who has been in an inpatient center for a total of a year, I highly recommend her going to one. Your state might have many options on where to go, but you need to start at the hospital physiatrist area first to get assessed and then they will help relocate to an inpatient program. I was living with other girls who had mental issues, I personally just ran away multiple times. But I honestly think this is the best way to go from personal experience! If you have any questions please reach out!
I donāt think she gonna grow up to be a serial killer but I do think sheās a spoiled brat who is jealous of the dog. She figures if the dog died she wouldnāt be inconvenienced anymore. I donāt think she did it cuz sheās evil. Their is a fine line between evil and being a spoiled brat with no discipline.
Sounds like the kid is spoiled and used to getting what she wants and that night didnāt go her way so why not try to prevent it from getting in the way again or punishing the dog who came in between watching fireworks.
Thatās concerning. I hate to say it but something may have happened to her and this is how sheās dealing with it. Counseling/therapy is a must if sheās in it now you may need to find one thatās Specializes in her behavior. The anger is coming from somewhere she may not even understand why and where itās coming from sheās hurting and this is her showing how bad sheās hurting. Itās a cry for help. My mind (and excuse me for being blunt) is maybe even sexual abuseā¦ I know itās a hard one to wrap your mind around but this is a very common way to show somethings wrong with in their world and they donāt know how to verbalize it with kidsā¦ā¦ my heart hurts for your family but most of all for what sheās going through inside. Hows school? I know bulling can cause this behavior as well. I hope I didnāt offend you but I wanted to at least get that that thought out there because unfortunately it happens more often than people would like to believe.
Iām hoping she gets the help she needs. And hugs to you. I know this must be hard.
Iām so sorry but she need some real help. Good luck. Please keep your dog away from her
This is very serious please take her for a mental health assessment asap
Oh boy. This is pretty serious. Has she got a diagnosis yet? I donāt wanna assume BUT hurting animals and no remorse or empathy keep animals and any child smaller or who might be helpless around her away from her.
This is not something you should take lightly she could harm one of you if left untreated
Sorry but this is just the beginning to becoming a sociopath. This is hard. I can imagine. You need to take her into an in house treatment center. She needs severe help and being afraid of not giving her her way isnāt any way to live.
Maybe itās a cry for attention because your partner and dog are getting it all( in her mind). Try doing just mother/daughter days. Not to mention at that age, she is probably going through a lot of hormonal changes. Not every child is evil like some people are saying. You hurt want is closes to you. Adults do it all the time to one another. Transferring energy good or bad. Good luck and if all else fails. A good Olā fashion ass whooping.
I had a foster child that killed my puppies by strangling them . Finally, in therapy one time she broke down and admitted that before she came to live with us she had pushed her sister who was 2 at the time , down a flight of stairs in an attempt to kill her. Needless to say after that the child was admitted and I have not seen her again. This is a warning sign please take heed and take care.
She definitely needs help. This isnāt normal even for rebelling teens. Sheās going to end up hurting someone really bad. This is a big red flag she needs more than therapy. Iād take her and put her on a 72 hour psych hold. She can get the mental help she needs and Iām sure she will think twice again. Do you have younger kids? What If it would have been one of them that she injected? I would do an inpatient psych program. Where they can watch her behavior. Hurting animals is a psychopathic/sociopathic trait. You should be proactive in dealing w the issues now before she hurts someone for real.
Put her in a inpatient treatment she needs help and if that doesnāt work put her in jail because what she did was a crime and put your foot down and donāt spoil her anymore she is literally a brat
Teach her to say sorry.
She needs an inpatient program. You are not equipped to handle this, you donāt have training and tools to address it, you need help. Donāt be afraid to ask for it.
If she has been going to this therapist for a year and seemly nothing has changed, sounds like she needs a new therapist. Good luck. ā
I would be getting a lock box for medicine and insulin for everyoneās safety. They do sell them. Good luck with getting help for your daughter. Prayers and hugs.
Maybe the wedge has always been there and your better half is pulling away due to how your CHild is acting. When u have to sleep with one eye open itās time to whip ass or move on.
Normally harming animals leads to worse things. Which this is not your fault some people are this way and trying to unalive a pet for being mad is not normal nor okay.
There is some issues going on and I feel like impatient may be helpful. This is not normal and often moves from animals to yah know.
Get her professional help asap. Professional. Not random friends advice.
A lot of these comments seem to be from people who donāt have a child with mental issues on top of Dealing with Covid. Itās a lot for an adult let alone a child. My daughter has never tried to hurt any of our animals but she has tried to hurt herself several times. Itās the hardest feeling as a parent to see your child go from the fun living child to someoneās always angry and depressed and or anxious all the time. You feel like a failure. Weāve been struggling with depressions d anxiety for almost 2 yrs now. She does see a therapist not sure how much that really helps. Weāve actually switched to another. Donāt be afraid to keep switching till you find one that is right for your daughter. Talk to the school. The school psychologist has actually been a heaven sent. My disagree loves and talks to her easily and she helps with coping skills and someone else to talk with. Itās a fine line between giving tough love but not so tough they react in a hurtful way. You have to be strong and set rules but also be open and talk honestly with her. Keep a journal. My daughter and I write back and forth in a journal itās easier to write what you want to say and for both to listen. So often we are already thinking of a response and arenāt listening. Be your daughters advocate. Talk to the therapist about meds. My daughter said itās like a black cloud weighing her down. Sheās only 4 weeks into meds but she seems to be adjusting to it. She still gets upset but it does calm her somewhat so we can talk through it. Not always in the moments sometimes after. Be her advocate, love on her and be there. Thatās all they truly want is to be loved. They are growing up in a different world then we did.
This is an indication of psychopathy or sociopathy. Girls tend to land on the sociopathy scale but that doesnāt mean they cannot be Psychopaths. If therapy isnāt working chances are itās the wrong kind on therapy. You need to find a psychiatrist who can diagnosis and treat with a combination of cognitive behavior techniques and likely medication. In the meantime, you need to protect yourself and your family.
You said she used to be so close to your husband and that now she retaliates more to him. You have to find out why before itās too late.
Not to scare you but most serial killers start off by killing small animals and work their way up. She needs a mental evaluation and therapy asap
Please keep any animals AWAY from her and seek deep inpatient therapy. This is only the beginning of her harming. This is very alarming.
Something is up between your husband and your girl,if they have been close to each other itās evident enough to question it
In patient therapy as it seems she already is a sociopath and if it keeps growing she will only become better at manipulating her way